over moderation and excess locked posts

[nota]

if more post are locked here then open
are we victims of over moderation and excess locked posts

why the fear of open discussion

I have not posted here in months due to attacks on my style by mods

can we talk without mods locking threads so much ?

is over moderation a problem ?

why so many locks ?

how long until a mod locks this thread ?

[Terry Duncan]

if more post are locked here then open
are we victims of over moderation and excess locked posts

A lot of threads are locked after a member decided to go an necromancy spree binging back 20 year old topics, as such this goes against general protocols for obvious reasons.

why the fear of open discussion

I have not posted here in months due to attacks on my style by mods

If you have a complaint about moderation PM a senior staff member and discuss the matter with them.

can we talk without mods locking threads so much ?

Certainly, as long as you talk within the rules of the site.

is over moderation a problem ?

Again, if you have an issue over moderation you need to contact a senior member of staff and discuss the matter with them via PM's.

why so many locks ?

Thread necromancy and some members indulging in behaviour that is against the site rules. If people post within the rules there is no problem.

how long until a mod locks this thread ?

Back to that 'discuss issues with moderation via PM's with senior members of staff! How many sites do you know of that allow members to openly discuss problems with the moderation team in a public thread? I would say that is pretty close to zero, but I am willing to be proven wrong if you link a site where such things go on openly. This is one of the more basic ''Off limits'' across the internet, hardly unique to this site.

As to how long until a moderator locks this thread...well...I will give you a few hours to reply with links to site where open discussion of moderator decisions are allowed, and maybe a reason as to why you thought posting such a topic is allowed? Other than that the topic would have been locked instantly.

Terry

[nota]

in my experience the better boards are open about why they moderate
and when

and the ones run in a we says so manor act like mods are gods
and all actions by mods are never to be questioned or even mentioned

anyway I popped in for lend lease dates
and saw 1/2 the posts locked

and....

[OpanaPointer]

Been doing boards since '08. This place is well run and conservative in moderation compared to so many.

[Terry Duncan]

in my experience the better boards are open about why they moderate
and when

I believe I listed the reason on every thread I closed, and other mods here do the same usually. Do you have any examples in mind?

and the ones run in a we says so manor act like mods are gods
and all actions by mods are never to be questioned or even mentioned

That doesnt happen here as far as I know.

anyway I popped in for lend lease dates
and saw 1/2 the posts locked

and....

Well, I hope my answers have cleared up any doubts you have? It is hard to give more specific answers without having specific details. The member who played necromancer was raising five to ten posts a day, something they had done in the past too, almost never returning to the raised threads again. It is just as frustrating to staff to find this taking place as it is to members to see so many locked posts.

As this has been polite so far I will leave this open for a day in case you wish to reply, but after that I will have to lock it to avoid setting a precedent.

Terry

[Richard Anderson]

anyway I popped in for lend lease dates

If you were looking for Lend-Lease dates, why didn't you post a thread asking about them? What dates are you looking for?

[Avalancheon]

if more post are locked here then open
are we victims of over moderation and excess locked posts

why the fear of open discussion

Part of that is because Cantankerous went on a spree, necroing old threads. It was inexcusable, he turned the 'What If?' section of AH into a clown show.

I have not posted here in months due to attacks on my style by mods

can we talk without mods locking threads so much ?

is over moderation a problem ?

why so many locks ?

The antics of Cantakerous aside, I believe this section is being overmoderated. Entire threads are being locked due to the behavior of one or two badly behaved posters. ljadw and Aida1 got my thread shut down due to them throwing ad hominems around. I don't think that was an appropriate response by the moderators.

If people have repeatedly shown that they will not argue in good faith and follow the rules, it would be better to lock them from the thread, rather than shut the whole thread down and ruin everyones fun. Seriously. ljadw is ruining it for everyone.

how long until a mod locks this thread ?

It is inevitable.

[nota]

anyway I popped in for lend lease dates

If you were looking for Lend-Lease dates, why didn't you post a thread asking about them? What dates are you looking for?

simple search found first ships to the reds I was looking for

as I was here looked at what if

and found about 1/2 locked threads

so post search is nominally working

board has unwelcoming attitude esp about the jews and costs
I wondered about the GDP cost of the jewish killing program
real cost data not if it was correct or evil just basic expenses in a war
and if the war was effected on a cost/expense basis
and was questioned why I want to know that and very very vague answers

an other personal edited over modded subject is axis actually trying to WIN the war with what they had when they had it
by japan allied and in concert with the euro axis attacking england when alone after france falls ie fleet action all axis ships
sure they did not do or plan that BUT it was doable with stuff in existence
with only will or practical we do not do that limits not CAN'T BE DONE JUST THEY DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT

HEY IT IS A WHAT IF ?

and about the only war winning plan

[Richard Anderson]

By my count there are 30 threads on the first page of the "What If" Section. Of those, 16 are locked. Of those, one is a request/reminder from Terry to read the section guidelines before posting. I am sure that he did so out of justifiable frustration from having to deal with Cantankerous necromancing thread after thread, most of them 20 years old. There are 13 closed necromancy threads. That leaves two closed due to poster malfeasance. That is not "over moderation".

HEY IT IS A WHAT IF SECTION THAT HAS GUIDELINES THAT GET ROUTINELY IGNORED ?

[Carl Schwamberger]

Debated if I should jump in here or not. I will say this forum and AHF in general are not as strictly moderated as is the Alternate History Forum. Many of the threads here would have been locked sooner by the Alt HF moderators. I don't entirely agree with specifics of policy on that one, but in general the moderators are faster on the draw and stricter.

[Peter89]

In my opinion, online moderation is healthy and fair, banning forever is not.

Destructive behaviour can not be regulated the same way online as in IRL so we need moderation.

[Michael Kenny]

In my opinion, online moderation is healthy and fair, banning forever is not.

Destructive behaviour can not be regulated the same way online as in IRL so we need moderation.

One current prolific poster here has in the past being banned under at least 30 former IDs. This is well known and is not a secret. There is no 'forever' ban.

[Peter89]

In my opinion, online moderation is healthy and fair, banning forever is not.

Destructive behaviour can not be regulated the same way online as in IRL so we need moderation.

One current prolific poster here has in the past being banned under at least 30 former IDs. This is well known and is not a secret. There is no 'forever' ban.

So you kinda agree it makes no sense, right?

[Terry Duncan]

In my opinion, online moderation is healthy and fair, banning forever is not.

Destructive behaviour can not be regulated the same way online as in IRL so we need moderation.

One current prolific poster here has in the past being banned under at least 30 former IDs. This is well known and is not a secret. There is no 'forever' ban.

Really? I was not aware for one.

However, I really will have to close this thread soon as despite it being polite it is not a topic to encourage open discussion about.

[nota]

I see no reason to hide moderation if it be open and fair

when one IS HIDING it that is a cause for concerns

and you are learning from this discussion