Yes... I see what you mean...Nagelfar wrote:the Waffen-SS had rigid standards. you had to be atleast 5'11" to join and of very solid build. (before the stresses of losses in war made them lower standards).
Logan Hartke
Yes... I see what you mean...Nagelfar wrote:the Waffen-SS had rigid standards. you had to be atleast 5'11" to join and of very solid build. (before the stresses of losses in war made them lower standards).
Yeah, I know. Take Wake Island for example. Oh, wait. That would make you WRONG, as would Guadalcanal. As would much of the other 1942-43 fighting. So, go learn your Corps history, then rejoin the argument, because right now, these pro-SS comments that keep saying that the Marines never faced hardship and success are driving me NUTS. Read a book about Wake, and then tell me that their enemy was always at the disadvantage. *SCREAMS* Argh. Learn your history folks!Gwynn Compton wrote:And as for Marine vs Japanese KIA ratios, I suggest you consider that on these Islands, the Japanese were completely cut off, starving, and could either surrender, or die, many choosing the latter option. The US Marines were fighting against a beaten enemy, the SS, against victorious forces. No comparison is possible due to their such different circumstances.
The Marines used plenty of both. They used the Reising and the Thompson SMGs. They used the BAR and the Johnson LMGs. They used many M1917A1s and M1919A4s. Later they used M1919A6s. They were quite proficient and fond of semi-auto and auto weaponry.Aristotle wrote:As far as I know, and I might be wrong, the Marines never had that many SMGs and machine guns.
I did know the Marines used semi-auto carbines and BAR's but I didn't realise they used so many other auto, semi-auto weapons.Aristotle wrote:The Marines used plenty of both. They used the Reising and the Thompson SMGs. They used the BAR and the Johnson LMGs. They used many M1917A1s and M1919A4s. Later they used M1919A6s. They were quite proficient and fond of semi-auto and auto weaponry.Aristotle wrote:As far as I know, and I might be wrong, the Marines never had that many SMGs and machine guns.
The SS were also as self contained as they could be. They had SS personel in all the roles your list mention except aircraft where I admit they did have to rely on the Luftwaffe. Bu the rest of your list is identical to the arms of service within SS combat divisions.Caldric wrote:Actually the firepower is not even, the Marines had the following also:
Armor
Artillery (light and heavy)
Aircraft (Fighters and Bombers which were manned by Marines for Marines, in other words no reliance on others.)
Mortars
Engineering
Medical
Recon
The Marines were a self-contained combined arms organization, ...
Also the Marine General's (who never get credit) in WWII were some of the finest the US ever produced. Smith and another Smith come to mind.
You mention heavy rain in your second last post in this discussion.Logan Hartke wrote:Ten SS men aren't going to bluff a Marine into giving up his beer, let alone his postition. Also, you are right, the SS didn't have air support; the USMC did.
Logan Hartke