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U 27

Post by pebrandt » 16 Jan 2019 00:46

Hello, and thanks for allowing me to join this forum.
I have been looking for additional information in regards to U 27. My father (deceased 1996) served on this boat and I was always told he was the cook (Koch, 'Smutje'). I see on this forum he is listed as MtrHGfr. Can anyone tell me what this ranking is?
I have fairly rudimentary knowledge regarding his war time experiences. He was captured after their boat was depth charged, in fact his was the second u-boat sunk at the onset of the war (turns out his was one of the lucky ones). I believe he spent his first year of imprisonment in Britain and was then sent to Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada for another 5 years. He was then sent back to Britain for one final year before the end of the war (POW=7 years)
He never really talked in any great length of his experiences, but I have a couple of pictures that are interesting. I have a "postcard" that was sent home to "Greater Germany" from his prison camp with I believe other member of his crew. The card has stamps on it from inspectors (I assume to check for any hidden messages?). I also found a picture of him in the Time Life series of books (Battle of Britain) of him at his POW camp in Alberta.
If anyone has any additional info to post I would be graetful.
Regards,
Perry

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Re: U 27

Post by Waleed Y. Majeed » 16 Jan 2019 06:26

Hello Perry. I think the abbreviation MtrHGfr is a “Matrosenhaupgefreiter” - Leading Seamam/Seaman first class (with 4½ years seniority) according to this source:
https://www.kbismarck.com/ranks.html

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Re: U 27

Post by pebrandt » 18 Jan 2019 14:21

Thank you Waleed. I have been able to find a few pictures of U 27 here. My son, who never got to meet his grandfather, is doing a study for school and he has decided to do one on U boat life, focusing mainly on U 27.

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 18 Jan 2019 22:59

Hello to all :D; just a little more: U 27 - Early life.

Although during the war her operational career was short because she was sunk in her first patrol, prior to the conflict carried out several navigations to Spain .......

First sail to Spain.

As we know she entered into service on August 12, 1936 under the command of Korvettenkapitän Hans Ibbeken within the framework of the U-Flotille Saltzwedel, and on April 4, 1937 she had his first operational job. U 27 left Wilhelmshaven on April 8, 1937 at 08:00 hours. The boat performed dive training with U 25 in the Biscay and then took part in the maritime surveillance, in the Spanish Civil War, before La Coruna. Basically she traveled through Arosa Bay, Pasajes (San Sebastian), Cap Ortegal, La Coruna, Caraminal (Arosa Bay). U 27 returned to Wilhelmshaven on May 17,1937 at 10:00 hours.

On April 13, 1937 00:40 hours, anchored alongside KM ADMIRAL GRAF SPEE in Arosa Bay. At 11:25 hours anchored next to U 25. On April 27, 1937 at 11:10 hours next to KM NÜRNBERG in Cap Ortegal.

Other officers on board IWO Oblt.z.S. Günter Kuhnke; LI Lt. Ing Werner Höchel.

Sources: http://www.ubootarchiv.de/ubootwiki/index.php/U_27
https://historisches-marinearchiv.de/pr ... var2=wert2
https://t2balli.de/index.php/modellbau/ ... -weltkrieg

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Re: U 27

Post by pebrandt » 19 Jan 2019 18:59

Thank you Tigre.
I have to say, the level of knowledge on this forum regarding the history of U boats is astonishing! :thumbsup:

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 26 Jan 2019 22:31

Hello to all :D; a little more: U 27 - Early life.
Second sail to Spain.
On October 5, 1937 Kplt. Johannes Franz took over U 27. Under Kplt. Johannes Franz, ran from Wilhelmshaven on July 30,1938 at 16:00 hours with U 30. The U boat took part in the sea surveillance during the Spanish Civil War. Basically she traveled through Huelva (transfer sick from U27 to U30), Tanger, Algeciras, Cadiz. U 27 returned to Wilhelmshaven on Aug 15, 1938 at 17:00 hours.

On Aug 09, 1938 at 14:25 hours Supplied by the ship Samland (5978 Ton) in Tanger till 17:25 hours.

Other officers on board IWO ??; IIWO Lt.z.S. Wolfgang Lüth (07.38-10.38); LI Lt. Ing Werner Höchel.

Sources: http://www.ubootarchiv.de/ubootwiki/index.php/U_27
https://historisches-marinearchiv.de/pr ... var2=wert2
http://www.loutan.net/olivier/archives/ ... es-uboote/

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Re: U 27

Post by pebrandt » 26 Jan 2019 23:28

I wonder if there is/was any way to get the names of crew members that served on this boat, a crew list of sorts? I know that my father actually met another captured crew member of U 27 that had moved to Vancouver BC as well, after the war.
Would there have been crew lists?

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 26 Jan 2019 23:42

Hello pebrandt :D; take a look here.....................

Crew of U 27.

https://historisches-marinearchiv.de/pr ... var2=wert2

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 01 Feb 2019 13:49

Hello to all :D; a little more: U 27 - Early life.
Third sail to Spain.
U 27, under Kplt. Johannes Franz, sails out of Wilhelmshaven on Aug 29, 1938 at 11:00 hours. The boat conducted escort and diving exercises in the Biscay and off the coast of Spain. Basically she traveled through Cádiz, Tanger (12-23.9), Cadiz, Sta Cruz de Tenerife, Cádiz. After 55 days, U 27 returned to Wilhelmshaven on Oct 22, 1938 at 18:32 hours.

While in Tanger met with U 30 15-16 Sep. On Oct 10, 1938 at 08:37 hours, anchored alongside Samland and at 13:45 hours alongside U 30 in St Cruz de Tenerife. On Oct 16, 1938 at 08:40 hours anchored alongside U 25 in Cádiz.

Other officers on board IWO ??; IIWO Lt.z.S. Wolfgang Lüth (07.38-10.38); LI Lt. (Ing.) Werner Höchel.

Sources: http://www.ubootarchiv.de/ubootwiki/index.php/U_27
https://historisches-marinearchiv.de/pr ... var2=wert2
Fotoalbum-U-Boot-Atlantikboot-Feindfahrten-FrontbootTop bei eBay_de 1918-1945 (endet 14_02_10 200556 MEZ)

Any idea of who replaced Günter Kuhnke as IWO in 1938? Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: U 27

Post by pebrandt » 01 Feb 2019 19:05

Hard to imagine, but my father could well be one of those in that picture standing on the deck of U 27.
Thank you for this amazing research you do Tigre.

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 09 Feb 2019 19:47

Hello to all :D; a little more: U 27 - Early life.
Fourth sail to Spain.
U 27, under Kplt. Johannes Franz, ran from Wilhelmshaven on April 17, 1939 at 16:30 hours. The boat conducted escort and diving exercises in the Biscay and off the coast of Spain and Portugal. Basically she traveled through Cádiz (On April 28 met with U 32), El Ferrol.On May 17, 1939 at 10:00 hours, U 27 re-entered Wilhelmshaven as the last boat of the Spanish Campaign.

Other officers on board IWO Oblt.z.S. Werner Kolb?; IIWO Oblt.z.S. Hermann Beckmann?; LI Oblt. (Ing.) Hans Steig.

Just prior to WWII Kapitän zur See Hans-Georg von Friedeburg again served in the U-boat force, taking command of the U 27 for a month in the summer of 1939 (06.06.1939 – 08.07.1939). From July 1939 he served on the staff of U-boat Command (Busch & Röll, 1999).

Sources: http://www.ubootarchiv.de/ubootwiki/index.php/U_27
https://historisches-marinearchiv.de/pr ... cl2=result
https://www.ansichtskartenserver.de/sho ... 729751.jpg

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 23 Feb 2019 00:12

Hello to all :D; a little more: U 27 - Early life.
Bremen 1939.
February 4, 1939 U-flotilla "Saltzwedel". Entries in the Golden Book of the City of Bremen

Sources: http://www.deutsches-marine-und-uboot-f ... stID=37326
Bremen zwischen 1933 und 1945: Eine Chronik by Fritz Peters

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 02 Mar 2019 02:51

Hello to all :D; a little more: U 27 - The Battle of the Atlantic. First Round 1939.

Pre-war deployment........................

On August 19, 1939 and as it had been foreseen sailed the following U boats:

Flotilla “Wegener” (Type VIIB) five boats from Kiel; Flotilla “Hundius” (Type IXA) five boats from Wilhelmshaven. Of these boats, U 39 did not come back and would be lost in action in what would be its first and last patrol. Besides four boats of the Flotilla “Saltzwedel” (Type VIIA) from Wilhelmshaven.

On August 21, 1939 the BDU (Dönitz) realized that he could not fulfill all the plans for lack of boats, the Kriegsmarine had very few submarines to sail towards the Atlantic and none of them could be sent to remote areas.

On August 22, 1939 at 03:00 hours sailed U 30 (Oblt Fritz-Julius Lemp, IWO Oblt Hans-Peter Hinsch, IIWO Lt Friedrich Bothe) from Wilhelmshaven. This U boat type VIIA of U-Flotille “Saltzwedel” was to operate with U 27 on the northern access of the Irish Sea (Atlantic Operations Order No. 2).

The following submarines sailed en route to the Atlantic:

U-Flotilla “Saltzwedel”: U 28/29/30/33/34
U-Flotilla “Hundius”: U 37/38/39/40/41
U-Flotilla “Wegener”: U 45/46/47/48/52

On August 23, 1939 at 23:00 hours, and with the storm at the gates, U 27 (Kplt. Johannes Franz; IWO Oblt.z.S. Werner Kolb; IIWO Oblt.z.S. Hermann Beckmann) sailed from Wilhelmshaven.

Sources: http://ktb.ubootwaffe.net/
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http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 09 Mar 2019 20:53

Hello to all :D; a little more: U 27 - The Battle of the Atlantic. First Round 1939.
Pre-war deployment........................
Effective since August 24, 1939 came into force the so called Maßnahme Schweden (Measure Sweden), it was intended to prevent Poles ships to escape to the North Sea, but the measure was not very effective.
Effective since August 25, 1939 came into force the so called Maßnahme Ulla (Measure Ulla), it was intended to watch over the Eastern access of the English Channel and the British ports starting from Latitude 0º.
On August 29, 1939 sailed from Wilhelshaven the U 26 (Kptlt. Klaus Ewerth, IWO Oblt. z.S. Ottokar Arnold Paulsen, IIWO Lt. z.S. Horst Hamm) and U 53 (Kplt. Heinz-Günther Heinicke, IWO Oblt. z.S. Heinrich Schonder), aboard was the Commander of the 7. U-Flotille. On August 31, 1939 sailed from Wilhelmshaven U 36 (Kplt. Wilhelm Fröhlich). U 27 North Atlantic - AM 23 - In the operational area, no special events.
War with Poland.
On September 1, 1939 began the war and the submarines of the U-Flotille "Weddingen" operating in the Baltic and "Saltzwedel", "Lohs", "Hundius" and "Wegener" operating in the Atlantic were given status of front boats. U 27 North Atlantic - AM 19 - In the operational area, no special events.
September 2, 1939.
The passenger liner Athenia sailed from Liverpool. On this day U 27 reached her patrol area in the North Atlantic as was ordered. North Atlantic - AM 45 - In the operational area, no special events.
Sources: http://ktb.ubootwaffe.net/
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http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm

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Re: U 27

Post by tigre » 17 Mar 2019 01:04

Hello to all :D; a little more: U 27 - The Battle of the Atlantic. First Round 1939.

War with England.

September 03, 1939. radio message to Atlantic forces at 1256: hostilities with England with immediate effect. In order to avoid confusion BdU issued radio message T.O.O. 1550: "Open hostilities against England immediately, do not wait to be attacked first." In radio message T.O.O. 1400 Naval War Staff ordered: "U-boats to make war on merchant shipping in accordance with operations order."

The OKM made the following messsage to F.O. U/B and Atlantic boats: "France considers herself at war with Germany from 1700. Boats are to take no hostile action against merchant ships for the present, except in self defense." U 27 was standing with five more boats in its operating
area west of the UK Islands, no special events.

When the Allies declared war at Germany the following U boats were in the operation area: off the British west coast U 27, U 28, U 29, U 30, U 33 and U 34, in front of the British East Coast U 13, U 15, U 16 and U 17 with their mines operations against British ports on the southeast coast. U 30 sunk the British passenger ship ATHENIA (13581 BRT) south of ROCKALL. On the ATHENIA 112 people lose their lives, many of them Americans, 1290 people survive the demise of the Ship (AM 1631/56 ° 44'N - 14 ° 05'W).

Sources: http://ktb.ubootwaffe.net/
Fotoalbum-U-Boot-Atlantikboot-Feindfahrten-FrontbootTop bei eBay_de 1918-1945 (endet 14_02_10 200556 MEZ)
http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm
http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/macslog/RhondaTho ... accou.html

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