U-boat 583

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Benoit Douville
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U-boat 583

Post by Benoit Douville » 14 Mar 2004 02:48

This U-boat was sank on Nov 15 1941 in the Baltic, near Danzig after a collision with another U-boat, the U 153. 45 dead. How the hell did that happened???

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Post by Englander » 14 Mar 2004 14:41

I believe it was a collision under the water.Simply a training accident.

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Post by Benoit Douville » 14 Mar 2004 16:03

Englander,

I know that it was an accident but it is hard to believe. U-boat Commander were professional and were well trained.

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Post by Englander » 14 Mar 2004 17:00

Commander were professional and were well trained.
Indeed,but one man can't control the actions of other men,especially if they are trainees.
Btw,nothing changes,accidents can still happen today.See here.


The accident involved HMS TRAFALGAR as Navy trainees undertook a series of difficult manoeuvres, including one in which a 'Post-It' note was stuck on a screen to hide the submarine's position. Two RN commanders were accused of being 'unwise' in their choice of training methods, which ultimately put the vessel at risk. The 2 instructors of the RN Submarine Command Course admitted allowing the submarine to be put at hazard by their negligence.

On 6 November 2002 the defendants had been putting 4 trainee commanders through their paces. During complicated underwater manoeuvres off Skye, they were denied navigation information by a note stuck over the display. One of the trainees then made a 10-metre depth miscalculation and the boat hit the sea bed at a speed of almost 15 knots. The submarine then made for Faslane base, where the full extent of the damage was discovered.

The hearing continues at Portsmout

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Post by beaviso » 16 Apr 2004 17:00

Benoit Douville wrote:Englander,
I know that it was an accident but it is hard to believe. U-boat Commander were professional and were well trained.

You're totally wrong in this case!

Danziger Bucht (Bay of Gdansk) was training area for numerous U-boats with mostly green crews. There was hell lot of them training on relatively small area. Collisions were quite usual, incl. 2 U-boats or a U-boat and a surface ship. Some accidents resulted in sinking of the submarine, 583 is just one example, whilst 222, 272, 649, 670, 768, 612, 634, 733, 738, 1234, 1054, 1015, 416 being the other sunken boats (over a half of them were raised and scrapped or repaired).

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Post by Xavier » 16 Apr 2004 17:51

even experienced crews had accidentes, please check here:

"freak accident. Graf spee Vs U 35!!! (june 1938)"
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ight=freak

or go directly to: http://www.u-35.com:/ surf the site, and somewhere are more pics of the same accidente mentioned in the forum thread (pics of the accident are in the pre-war section of the site, but is worth surfing the complete site:

for lots of outstanding unpublished early u-boat prewar pictures of training, check here:
http://centroeu.com/uboote/fotos2.htm

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