Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

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kgmarik
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Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

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Post by kgmarik » 14 Apr 2018, 04:44

Hello. I have a question about Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI tankettes which were bought from UK in 1929.

Until recently, I thought they were all retired from the army at the time of 1939. Then I found this post of the Polish site.
(link: http://odkrywca.pl/tankietka-carden-loyd,125291.html)

There's a mention that these tankettes were remained and used for training duties until September Campaign.
Wszystkie tankietki dotrwały do września przerzucane jako sprzęt ćwiczebny z jednego batalionu do drugiego. Pisze o tym Michał Kuchciak autor artykułu z którego pochodzą dwa wcześniej wstawione przez bodzia000000 zdjęcia.
But I've couldn't find any references or documents which confirm this. Anybody know about these vehicles' fate between 1929-1939?

Also, can somebody tell me when & where this photo was taken?
cardenloydPL.jpg
(photo from: http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum24/carden.jpg)
-> The vehicle's number '1152' is clearly visible, and it seems that the tankette have original VCL suspension, not the Polish modified version. And looks like the soldiers in this photo are from 10th Cavalry Brigade as they wear uniforms & helmets similar to 10.BK's, but it is only my guess since I have no idea when this photo was taken.

(PS: there's more photos of Polish Carden-Loyds in links below)
Link 1: http://odkrywca.pl/tankietka-carden-loyd,125291.html
Link 2: http://odkrywca.pl/pokaz_watek.php?id=329677#329677
Link 3: http://odkrywca.pl/pokaz_watek.php?id=386373#386373

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Re: Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

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Post by GregSingh » 14 Apr 2018, 12:44

Photo shows Modlin Fortress, so river is called Narew.
According to Janusz Magnuski, first 10 vehicles ordered in England arrived in Poland in late September 1929.
They received numbers from 1143 to 1152, so photo shows one of the original units.


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Re: Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

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Post by kgmarik » 14 Apr 2018, 18:39

Thanks a lot, GregSingh! Much appreciated.

Btw, is there any books or documents which wrote detailed records of military maneuvers or trainings involving these tankettes? I know they did involved in some military exercises in the following years after 1929, but I'm still not sure they were remained in Polish army's disposals until 1939.

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Re: Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

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Post by kgmarik » 16 Apr 2018, 08:43

Today I just found 2 additional photos on the web. Description says these are photos of Polish 9th Armoured Battalion, which were taken in 1938.
vclmk6pl_1.jpg
(link: https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=27384)
vclmk6_pl2.jpg
(link: https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=27385)

-> Photos show a machine gun mounted on the tankette. It looks similar to ckm Hotchkiss wz.25...?

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Re: Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

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Post by RG » 16 Apr 2018, 14:43

kgmarik wrote:Hello. I have a question about Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI tankettes which were bought from UK in 1929.

Until recently, I thought they were all retired from the army at the time of 1939. Then I found this post of the Polish site.
(link: http://odkrywca.pl/tankietka-carden-loyd,125291.html)

There's a mention that these tankettes were remained and used for training duties until September Campaign.
Wszystkie tankietki dotrwały do września przerzucane jako sprzęt ćwiczebny z jednego batalionu do drugiego. Pisze o tym Michał Kuchciak autor artykułu z którego pochodzą dwa wcześniej wstawione przez bodzia000000 zdjęcia.
But I've couldn't find any references or documents which confirm this. Anybody know about these vehicles' fate between 1929-1939?

Also, can somebody tell me when & where this photo was taken?
cardenloydPL.jpg
(photo from: http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum24/carden.jpg)
-> The vehicle's number '1152' is clearly visible, and it seems that the tankette have original VCL suspension, not the Polish modified version. And looks like the soldiers in this photo are from 10th Cavalry Brigade as they wear uniforms & helmets similar to 10.BK's, but it is only my guess since I have no idea when this photo was taken.

(PS: there's more photos of Polish Carden-Loyds in links below)
Link 1: http://odkrywca.pl/tankietka-carden-loyd,125291.html
Link 2: http://odkrywca.pl/pokaz_watek.php?id=329677#329677
Link 3: http://odkrywca.pl/pokaz_watek.php?id=386373#386373
I think it is a Modlin Fortress
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Re: Polish Carden-Loyd Mk.VI

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Post by gebhk » 27 Apr 2018, 20:56

they wear uniforms & helmets similar to 10.BK's
I wouldn't attach too much significance to the helmets. WW1 vintage Austrian and German helmets were commonplace in Poland in the 20s and 30s and only slowly replaced in peacetime use by more modern types. Furthermore the 10 BK did not have organic tanks apart from the 13 TKS of its recce dywizjon - a unit which was not added to the OdB till the end of 1938 (and despite a great deal of information available on the day-to-day goings on in this unit, there is no mention of any AFVs other than the TKs). The chaps in the photo are almost certainly engineers (saperzy).

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