The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

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The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

Post by Futurist » 18 May 2021 01:08

Does anyone here know what the 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results were (in terms of total numbers/votes) for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up becoming a part of Poland?

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Re: The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

Post by Futurist » 18 May 2021 01:09

Specifically, I want to see just how many votes both Poland and Germany got in the part of Upper Silesia that became a part of Poland after this plebiscite.

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Re: The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

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Re: The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

Post by Futurist » 19 May 2021 20:40

Thanks, but I've already seen that article and the data in it.

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Re: The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 22 Nov 2021 00:59

Futurist wrote:
18 May 2021 01:08
Does anyone here know what the 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results were (in terms of total numbers/votes) for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up becoming a part of Poland?
The results were:

1. In the whole plebiscite area:

For Germany - 707,400 votes (59.6%)
For Poland - 479,400 votes (40.4%)

2. In area which later became part of Poland:

For Poland - 284,600 votes (56%)
For Germany - 225,400 votes (44%)

3. In area which later remained in Germany:

For Germany - 482,000 votes (71%)
For Poland - 194,800 votes (29%)

Let's remind that the proportion of votes was not the same as that of the general population, for few reasons, including: 1) votes of "plebiscite emigrants" and 2) the fact that the median age of Polish-speaking population was lower than that of the German-speaking population (a higher percent among the Polish-speaking population were children) - while only persons over the age of 21 were eligible to vote. Among "plebiscite emigrants" (who did not live in the plebiscite area, but mostly in other parts of Germany) the vast majority voted for Germany.

So generally the percentage of votes for Germany was in the whole area higher than the percentage of pro-German population.
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Re: The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

Post by Futurist » 23 Nov 2021 06:20

Piotr Kapuscinski wrote:
22 Nov 2021 00:59
Futurist wrote:
18 May 2021 01:08
Does anyone here know what the 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results were (in terms of total numbers/votes) for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up becoming a part of Poland?
The results were:

1. In the whole plebiscite area:

For Germany - 707,400 votes (59.6%)
For Poland - 479,400 votes (40.4%)

2. In area which later became part of Poland:

For Poland - 284,600 votes (56%)
For Germany - 225,400 votes (44%)

3. In area which later remained in Germany:

For Germany - 482,000 votes (71%)
For Poland - 194,800 votes (29%)

Let's remind that the proportion of votes was not the same as that of the general population, for few reasons, including: 1) votes of "plebiscite emigrants" and 2) the fact that the median age of Polish-speaking population was lower than that of the German-speaking population (a higher percent among the Polish-speaking population were children) - while only persons over the age of 21 were eligible to vote. Among "plebiscite emigrants" (who did not live in the plebiscite area, but mostly in other parts of Germany) the vast majority voted for Germany.

So generally the percentage of votes for Germany was in the whole area higher than the percentage of pro-German population.
Do you know what the results would have been without the emigrants who were allowed to vote in this plebiscite?

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Re: The 1921 Upper Silesian plebiscite results for the part of Upper Silesia that ended up a part of Poland?

Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 25 Nov 2021 00:56

Futurist wrote:
23 Nov 2021 06:20
Do you know what the results would have been without the emigrants who were allowed to vote in this plebiscite?
IIRC it is estimated that out of 707,400 who voted for Germany ca. 180,000 were emigrants. If this estimate is correct then ca. 527,000 permanent inhabitants voted for Germany. On the other hand the vast majority of those who voted for Poland were permanent inhabitants, because it is estimated that just a small minority (I have seen figures around 10%) among all emigrants voted for Poland. Therefore surely without emigrants the division of Upper Silesia's territory would have been more favourable for the Polish side.
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