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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Slavomir » 02 Mar 2008 13:25

Hello,

As for Karpaty Army I have found that 2nd Brigade except 153rd battery (equiped with 65mm guns) was also assigned 51st and 52nd artillery platoons armed with old ex-Russian 76mm guns.

Still no arty for 3rd Brigade though...

1st Brigade (Krakow Army ) was supposed to have:
- 151st and 152nd batteries (65mm guns)
- 55th and 56th artillery platoons (ex-Russian 76mm gins)
- 3rd battery / 65th Light Artillery Regiment (from 55 Res. Inf Div)

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Sources: W. Steblik Armia Krakow Warszawa 1989
R. Dalecki Armia Karpaty 1939 Warszawa 1979

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by The Edge » 03 Mar 2008 10:04

As usual - great info, Slawomir! :D

I think that Polish Army did had some plans with Wz.06 guns - otherwise they would not modify them in the 1920s (shields added by Polish industry - probably to use them as some kind of "infantry guns") and keep large stock of ammo for them. However, there were definitely more pressing issues elsewhere.

Just to be precise (artillery is my passion :) ) - "old Russian 76mm guns" - Schneider M.06/09 model? (Obr. 1909)

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Ardee » 03 Mar 2008 18:43

I think that Polish Army did had some plans with Wz.06 guns - otherwise they would not modify them in the 1920s (shields added by Polish industry - probably to use them as some kind of "infantry guns")


Do you have any photos/scale drawings of the guns showing this shield?

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Slavomir » 03 Mar 2008 23:36

The Edge wrote:
"old Russian 76mm guns" - Schneider M.06/09 model? (Obr. 1909)
Cheers, Edge


Not too much I could find about those guns. P. Zarzycki in "Foot Artillery in the Polish Army before World War II" says that those platoons were equipped with the model 1902 guns. Sorry, but that's all I could find.

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by The Edge » 04 Mar 2008 09:48

Ardee wrote: Do you have any photos/scale drawings of the guns showing this shield?


http://www.jedsite.info/artillery-sierr ... wz/wz.html

Thanks to Slawomir, this article is scheduled for the major update! :D

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by The Edge » 04 Mar 2008 09:50

Slavomir wrote: Not too much I could find about those guns. P. Zarzycki in "Foot Artillery in the Polish Army before World War II" says that those platoons were equipped with the model 1902 guns. Sorry, but that's all I could find.


That's valuable info too - so, not all M.1902 field guns were changed to standard 75x350mmR caliber. :)

Some time ago I found one Polish aricle (on the Net) mentioning an excange of artillery material between Poland and Yugoslavia. Year was about 1933 - Poland gave their surplus Skoda guns (ex-Austrian) for the Yugoslav Mle 1897 guns. Now I can't find this article again - do you have some info about this affair?

Thanks in advance,

Edge

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Ardee » 04 Mar 2008 18:54

Thank you, The Edge, for the link!

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Slavomir » 06 Mar 2008 22:53

The Edge wrote:That's valuable info too - so, not all M.1902 field guns were changed to standard 75x350mmR caliber. :)

Some time ago I found one Polish aricle (on the Net) mentioning an excange of artillery material between Poland and Yugoslavia. Year was about 1933 - Poland gave their surplus Skoda guns (ex-Austrian) for the Yugoslav Mle 1897 guns. Now I can't find this article again - do you have some info about this affair?



Not all model 1902 guns were changed to 75mm standard as there were very large ammunition stocks captured in 1919 - 1921 war. It was decided to keep some guns in original caliber to use ammo for training.

By the end of war Poland possed many different types if artillery equipment taken over from German, Austrian and Russian amies in 1918, received from France or won in the war with Soviet Russia. In order to unify the equipment standards Poles made arrangements with other countries :

1924 with Latvia - in exchange for 39 field guns 84 mm M. 03 and some Vickers HMGs Poland received 28 guns 75 mm M. 97;

1926 - 1930 with Romania in exchange for 120 guns M.02 and 12 guns 106,7mm Poland received 120 guns M. 97 with ammo.

1932 - 1933 with Yugoslavia in exchange for 22 Austrian howitzers 100mm M.1916, 6 guns 104mm M.1915, 7 howitzers 150mm Poland received 69 guns 75mm M.97

I hope that it will help

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Slavomir » 06 Mar 2008 23:23

The Edge wrote:
Ardee wrote: Do you have any photos/scale drawings of the guns showing this shield?


http://www.jedsite.info/artillery-sierr ... wz/wz.html



Thank you for the link, however the describtion contains some mistakes.

It is still not clear how those 65mm guns M.06 got to Poland. First theory says that those were given to Poland by France in 1919. Second one says that guns were captured by Austrians on Italians and after that in 1918 Poles took them.

Only few 65mm guns (probably from 153rd battery) crossed the border with Hungary and were interned by Hungarians. The Independent Carpathian Rifles Brigade created in Syria received guns there.

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by The Edge » 07 Mar 2008 12:04

Thank you very much for the info! :D (More than I expected)

About Wz. 06 article:

As previously said, I must rewrite it. Info about exile Polish guns came from site administrator.

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Slavomir » 07 Mar 2008 17:42

The Edge wrote:

About Wz. 06 article:

As previously said, I must rewrite it. Info about exile Polish guns came from site administrator.


Let me know if you'll need any help :)

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Re: Polish artillery

Post by nuyt » 01 Nov 2008 15:17

Have read somewhere on the net that Poland and Lithuania had 105mm lFh16. True and how many?
Were there any other WW1 era German guns around?
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Re: Polish artillery

Post by Slavomir » 09 Nov 2008 15:51

Sorry but I was not able to confirm that... I can assume that it may have been right especially in Wielkopolska. But as I said, it would be only guess...

Sorry I couldn't help

Slavomir

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Post by voodoo34 » 01 Apr 2010 22:33

Kocur wrote:
David Lehmann wrote: AT artillery:
- 1200x 37mm Bofors guns
Kocur wrote:300 bought from Bofors, 900 licensed production.
New data :
- factory in Pruszkow - 955 AT 37 mm wz. 36 (Bofors), 21 AT wz. 38 (fortress cannon, Polish structure)
- factory in Rzeszow - 207 AT 37 mm wz. 36
It is incomplete data.
The Polish army had the minimum of 1400 pieces AT 37 mm wz. 36.
http://www.dws.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=8 ... a&start=75
37 mm wz. 36:

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37 mm wz. 38:

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David Lehmann wrote: AA artillery:
- 306x 40mm Bofors guns
New data: 314 Bofors at battle wards. 158 cannons wz. 36 and 156 cannons wz. 38. 75 cannons in supplies and school branches.
http://www.dws.org.pl/viewtopic.php?f=7 ... a&start=25

40 mm wz. 36:

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40 mm wz. 38:

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David Lehmann wrote: - 72x 75mm Bofors guns
Kocur wrote:I have never encountered any info on 75mm Bofors AA guns in Polish service. I belive those are both Polish design and production wz. 36St and wz. 37St 75mm AA guns mistaken for Bofors (already linked http://www.1939.pl/uzbrojenie/polskie/a ... index.html ).
Cannons 75 mm wz. 36St i wz. 37St was probably 62 pieces. 16 wz. 36 St i 24 wz 37 St it was in battle individuals. Rest of cannons in spare individuals.

75 mm wz. 36 St:

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75 mm wz. 37 St:

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I apologise for my English from the translator.

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Re: Re:

Post by Musashi » 02 Apr 2010 02:13

voodoo34 wrote: battle individuals.
Combat units.
voodoo34 wrote: spare individuals.
Reserve units.

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