Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 15:06

Yeah, evil german empire even its slightest minorities allowed their cultural freedom
That is incorrect. German Empire was based on repression and violation of minority rights. Its very own founding violated obligations by Prussia to respect autonomy of Poznan region made during Congress of Vienna.

A history of modern Germany, 1800-2000‎
Martin Kitchen - 2006 page 130
In areas where Germans and Poles lived side by side a virtual apartheid existed.
in Pommern there were in 1939 96% germans...and a few Kaschuben...and next-to-none poles.
Nazi statistics are unreliable. But even they admitted that Polish Pomorze had overwheming Polish population.
As to the German held area-Poles were very active in Szczecin and in fact Nazi Germany murdered several of Polish activists there.
for the years from the beginning of cultural paper work till 1939 nearly NO documents on polish language there?
German was used in legal documentation just like I use english to communicate with you today. Anyway you aren't correct. Polish writings are found in most of the cities-Szczecin, Wrocław, Gdańsk.
, nothing of polish influence before 1945?
You are again incorrect. There are many historic Polish landmarks in those areas(Ostrów Tumski in Wrocław for example)
since for the most part of their history they were part of Poland.
SO hard to get real and acknowledge even after 65 years, that the so called "regained territories" got only 'polish"
Poland in Middle Ages:
http://elib.kkf.hu/poland/lengyel/histo ... age007.jpg
by an ethnic cleansing towards 95% of its population,
There never was an ethnic cleansing of German population. There was a simple elegant population-exchange, a process that before was awarded by Noble Peace Prize in regards to Turkey and Greece.

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 15:16

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You are funny kind of a polo-Nazi, aren't you? That's nice entertainment, for sure :welcome:

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 15:18

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 15:22

As long as people like you are allowed to downplay the polish part of massacring german civilians I does not make sense to participate here anymore.

Ofiara :lol:

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 15:23

the polish part of massacring german civilians
I am not aware of any event that would fit this description.

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 15:29

Which does not surprise anybody here....

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 15:34

Which does not surprise anybody here....
Of course I am aware of certain far-right and Nazi propaganda that made such claims.

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 15:58

Okyzm wrote:
certain far-right....claims
You have proved already enough from that side in this thread :wink:

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 16:07

You have proved already enough from that side in this thread :wink:
Such as?

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 16:19

You are the best example here on AHF for showing how polish chauvinism works...and how it denies/ignores/ historical facts :idea:

Congratulations :milwink:

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By the way....you aren't a second account of one of our already banned friends like "Obserwator"& Co?

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 16:23

You are the best example here on AHF for showing how polish chauvinism works...and how it denies/ignores/ historical facts
Such as ?

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 16:27

...the myth of the "regained territories" of Poland where not more than 5% of the population were "not germans" :lol:

Which only got "polonized" by a brutal ethnic cleansing...by "erasing" its german history by destroying documents, cultural monuements etc....or eving creating silly names for villages without any polish or slavic piece of history at all...poddabie or objazda for example...oder Ustka :lol:

It is good for the rest that you folks demask yourselves always so quickly :milsmile:

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 16:40

...the myth of the "regained territories" of Poland
What myth. Do you deny those territories were once part of Poland which is accepted by every mainstream historian?
where not more than 5% of the population were "not germans"
If Hitler would win the same could be said about Warsaw-it still wouldn't be German city though.
by a brutal ethnic cleansing
No such event took place, there was a human population transfer-fully legal and accepted by international community. As mentioned before, previous population transfers were even awarded with Nobel Peace Prize.
by "erasing" its german history
People hunted down as untermenschen obviously don't like German signs. Of course not everything was removed-Auschwitz for example is preserved.
..or eving creating silly names for villages without any polish or slavic piece of history at all..
Actually most names were restored to their original character before Germanization.

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 06 Jun 2010 17:05

Apart from your claims of german cities like Stettin, Danzig to be polish no german ever claimend that Warschau would have been a german citiy :P
Actually most names were restored to their original character before Germanization.
Yes, like calling München Munachiem makes a polish city :lol:

Indeed many of the names were simply invententions by the Commies without any historical background :roll:

Troll :wink:

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Re: Polish claims on Wilno/Vilnius

Post by Okyzm » 06 Jun 2010 17:10

Apart from your claims of german cities like Stettin, Danzig
Both Szczecin and Gdańsk were Polish long before any German lived in them.
no german ever claimend that Warschau would have been a german citiy
Actually they did in WW2, also you might look how Prussian partition looked like.
Indeed many of the names were simply invententions by the Commies without any historical background :roll:
On the contrary most names were restored to their original name before Germanization-often reversing state organised attempts by Germany to change the name into German form.
Troll :wink:
Your frustration with historical evidence that those areas were Polish long before Germany even existed is amusing.Anyway reported.

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