Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 16 Feb 2016 02:29

michael mills wrote:Upper Silesia, a traditionally Catholic area.
When Silesians came to Texas in 1854, they even named their first town Panna Maria (Lady Mary).

One of Silesian-Texans speaks about the establishment of Panna Maria (in English):



More about Silesian-Texans here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/slasktexas/videos

http://www.slask-texas.org/en/materialy ... -mapy.html
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Two Silesian-Texans (including one of their spiritual leaders, priest Franek Kurzaj):
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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by Futurist » 21 Feb 2017 03:11

Peter, I've got 1905 German census data here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Prussia

Now, what territories should I compare for 1905 and 1910? Indeed, I certainly want to find out just how falsified the 1910 German census actually was!

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 29 Aug 2021 11:35

"Hauptübersicht für die Kreise, die Regierungsbezirke und die Provinz Schlesien", 1905:

http://www.martin-opitz-bibliothek.de/d ... Id=0458144

More here:

http://www.historycy.org/index.php?show ... &p=1911797
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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by Futurist » 07 Nov 2021 19:58

Thanks!

Anyway, I've got a question about Upper Silesia: Could it be viewed as a Polish (formerly split German-Polish, and before that German) version of the Donbass? Heavily industrial, full of natural resources (especially coal), strong localist and autonomist sentiments, separatist uprisings (Korfanty's rebellion, et cetera), et cetera.

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by wm » 07 Nov 2021 21:46

Although Polish rights to Upper Silesia aren't contested by anyone.

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Re: Did Poland have territorial plans against Germany?

Post by Futurist » 07 Nov 2021 21:51

wm wrote:
07 Nov 2021 21:46
Although Polish rights to Upper Silesia aren't contested by anyone.
Not right now, of course, but they were until 1990, no? That's when Germany definitely--with no qualifications or reservations--accepted the post-1945 German-Polish border, if I recall correctly.

One can say that Germany claimed all of Upper Silesia until World War II and claimed western Upper Silesia until 1990.

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