Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Re: Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Post by Piotr Kapuscinski » 03 Jun 2014, 23:06

Thanks for explanation Uwe.
(please use primary sources only, not Hahn)
I was using both Fritz Hahn and primary sources - one OKH report dated 02.10.1939 about ammo expenditure by armies (3., 4., 8., 10. and 14. in Poland, as well as 1., 5. and 7. in the West) until 01.10.1939, and another report by OKH written on 27.09.1939 about expenditure by armies (same armies as above) until 24.09.1939. And this OKH report from 27.09.1939 says that 10. Army fired 12 rounds of 24cm K3 ammo (other armies - 0), while Fritz Hahn claims that in total 183 rounds were fired in Poland (I forgot until which date is Hahn's data), and the report from 02.10.1939 says that 264 rounds were fired. Check also my old post here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 4#p1584442

I'm writing this post from memory because the last time I analyzed those sources was back in 2011.

So maybe I confused something. But anyway - I saw three different numbers in two reports and Hahn.

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Edit:

No, sorry - in that report until 24 IX ammo expenditure of 24cm K3 type was not reported.

Only between 24 IX and 1 X those guns were firing rounds. Probably during the siege of Warsaw and Modlin?

But - surprisingly - the loss of 2 guns took place before 24 IX, and thus before they were firing rounds.

Anyway - there is also that source which says the total expenditure was 264 rounds (Hahn says 183).

I must find my notes regarding those sources, I have them somewhere... But where. :)
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Re: Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Post by schwarzermai » 05 Jun 2014, 08:32

Peter K wrote:Probably during the siege of Warsaw and Modlin?
Hello Peter, s.Art.Abt. (mot.) I./84 was not requested by AOK 8/ArKo 20 for siege of warsaw/modlin
other parts of AOK 14 were requested, but not this unit
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Re: Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Post by Njorl » 22 Jun 2014, 09:53

Hello Uwe,
schwarzermai wrote:German railway guns in 1939?
Here's an excerpt from F. Ruge Die Minensuchwaffe im Kampf gegen Polen 1939:
Zusammen mit den Batterien des Heeres und einer 15 cm-Eisenbahnbatterie der Marine bei Putzig ergab sich eine beträhtliche Feuerwirkung auf die schmalen polnischen Stellungen.
Judging be the rest of the text, this excerpt relates to events that took place on or after 30.09.1939.

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Re: Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Post by schwarzermai » 22 Jun 2014, 11:45

hello MJU

you are right, but this is an 15 cm-Eisenbahnbatterie der Marine (Gneisenau) and it's my fault I always put everything right with the Heer and forget the marine...

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Re: Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Post by schwarzermai » 23 Dec 2019, 21:49

Hello at all,

at Poland campaign I./84 lost 2 x K 3 at 13th Sep 1939 - each 1 gun of 1st and 2nd battery

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Re: Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 24 Dec 2019, 07:58

Any news about the circumstances?

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Re: Loss of 2x 24cm K.3 in September 1939

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Post by GregSingh » 24 Dec 2019, 11:54

More questions...

Was it still part of Arko 24 back on 13th of September?
Last time I saw it mentioned in AOK 10 docs was 7th of Sep. It was not mentioned as part of Arko 24 anymore after 19th...

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