If another piece of crap if even crappier than the first piece of crap this doesn't automatically mean that the first piece of crap was something other than a piece of crap.Sid Guttridge wrote: ↑25 Jun 2020, 01:50Hi Futurist,
I wouldn't describe Antonescu as "a vile piece of crap". In Romania that distinction was held by the Iron Guard.
Horthy's record was better before 1944, as was Bulgaria's (excluding Macedonia) and Italy's before the 1943 Nazi German invasion.Antonescu was a courageous Romanian patriot whose main redeeming feature was relative incorruptibility in a very corrupt country. Under him, a significanr part of the Jewish population was displaced and died due to malign neglect. While hardly a ringing endorsement of him, this was significantly less draconian than the Nazis' proactive attempt to wipe out all Jews everywhere.
No, it doesn't. This figure only includes those Jews whose deaths lay at Antonescu's hands:I think you will find your 280,000 - 380,000 Romanian Jewish deaths includes about 125,000 from Northern Transylvania, who were actually handed over to the Germans by Hungary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiesel_Commission
The parts of the Soviet Union that Romania occupied had plenty of Jews in them--especially (but not only) Bessarabia, Bukovina, and Odessa (half of whose Jewish population was successfully evacuated, but half who wasn't). In Odessa itself, something like 100,000 out of 200,000 Jews were still there when the Romanians conquered Odessa in October 1941. Nearly all of them subsequently perished. Ditto for most of the Jews who remained in Bessarabia (perhaps 150,000 out of 200,000 remaining Bessarabian Jews) and half of the Jews who remained in Bukovina (perhaps 35,000 out of 70,000, a majority of whom were located in Chernivtsi). Plus, this is not to mention that the areas surrounding Odessa that Romania occupied also had some Jews of their own. So, yeah, overall, 280,000-380,000 dead Jews as a result of Antonescu's rule sounds very realistic.There is also some doubt as to how many ex-Soviet Jews were killed due to some evacuations carried out by the USSR. However, it is clear that the number of Jewish deaths at the hands of the Romanians was in the hundreds of thousands.
Cheers,
Sid.
This book could provide some additional information about detailed Holocaust statistics for the Soviet Union, if you're curious:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Th ... =vinnitsia