What kind of peace deal was Poland likely to get had France not fallen in 1940?
Re: What kind of peace deal was Poland likely to get had France not fallen in 1940?
Why? It's immoral to send hundreds of thousands of your best young men to death for people they know nothing about. It wasn't 19th century anymore with limited, "clean" wars.
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Then why even give the guarantee to Poland in the first place? After all, why should French and British youth die for a Polish Warsaw and Lodz?
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It was for East European countries (including Greece), not only for Poland.
To deter Hitler, to discourage aggression, to save European peace. It was more or less based on the broken windows theory.
To deter Hitler, to discourage aggression, to save European peace. It was more or less based on the broken windows theory.
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What's the broken windows theory?
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That seemingly innocent offenses eventually lead to real ones.
That a neglected kid who breaks a window will come later for you as a thug to rob or kill you.
That a neglected kid who breaks a window will come later for you as a thug to rob or kill you.
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Actually the Broken Windows theory is a argument for aggressive law enforcement & social service a the misdemeanor level. A number of complex social theories or constructs have built around it, as well as some misunderstandings and some arguments for vigilante action.
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wm, what do you make of this January 1940 speech by the French Prime Minister? :wm wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 23:20If it's a deadlock situation and the French aren't prepared to die for their political and military goals then obviously nobody gets anything.
The Germans aren't going to make any concessions motivated by goodwill, only a credible threat to their existence/independence could change their mind.
In this scenario obviously Poland isn't going to get anything. Most likely Germany will annex the corridor, Danzig, and the other territories Hitler annexed.
Because really who is going to stop them?
https://www.historyplace.com/speeches/daladier.htm
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Quit weak. I don't think the French people wanted to hear they were going to die by hundreds of thousands for foreigners they knew nothing about.
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The Poles were France's allies and there were plenty of them in France by 1940, so saying that French people knew nothing about Poles is a bit inaccurate.
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There are lots of Poles (and for example Muslims too) in the UK but I don't think the British have any idea what they think, believe, or want.
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It's perfectly logical to assume that Poles want to preserve the territorial integrity of their country. It's literally a no-brainer!
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My point was the French people didn't want to hear they were going to massively die for some bloody foreigners and their problems although they were ready to die for their own country.
For that reason the speech was idiotic, it asked them to die for something they didn't care.
For that reason the speech was idiotic, it asked them to die for something they didn't care.
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Apparently in July 1939 76% of French people were willing to fight and die for Danzig:wm wrote: ↑22 Jun 2020, 20:11My point was the French people didn't want to hear they were going to massively die for some bloody foreigners and their problems although they were ready to die for their own country.
For that reason the speech was idiotic, it asked them to die for something they didn't care.
https://books.google.com/books?id=yJoUD ... 39&f=false
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Re: What kind of peace deal was Poland likely to get had France not fallen in 1940?
Hi Futurist,
It doesn' t say they were willing to die for Danzig.
As a general rule, one goes to war not to die for one's country but in the hope that it is the other guy who does the dieing.
That said, after March 1939 the bulk of the populations of France and the UK accepted that war was probable and arguably necessary and Danzig was the trip wire their governments put out. Hitler consciously triggered it.
Cheers,
Sid.
It doesn' t say they were willing to die for Danzig.
As a general rule, one goes to war not to die for one's country but in the hope that it is the other guy who does the dieing.
That said, after March 1939 the bulk of the populations of France and the UK accepted that war was probable and arguably necessary and Danzig was the trip wire their governments put out. Hitler consciously triggered it.
Cheers,
Sid.