Do you think that there were any parts of Poland that preferred the pre-World War I order to the post-World War I order?

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Re: Do you think that there were any parts of Poland that preferred the pre-World War I order to the post-World War I or

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Post by wm » 09 Jun 2020, 09:01

Futurist wrote:
08 Jun 2020, 22:56
Basically Ukrainian peasants killing their Polish landlords and Polish elite a century before World War II?
No, it was a class war, peasants vs their lords. In Poland, it's said unambiguously that they were Polish peasants.
Most peasants didn't entertain any national feelings anyway at that time, that happened later.

I don't know if Poles were forbidden from settling in the Russian interior but the rule was that only people who went "native" (i.e., converted) enjoyed full rights.
The goal was to denationalize the Poles, to destroy them as a nation - it was cultural genocide.

So actually the Poles had it worse than the Jews.
The Polish Jews gained their economic advantage and political influence right then - under the rule of the Tsar.

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Post by henryk » 09 Jun 2020, 20:29

Sid Guttridge wrote:
09 Jun 2020, 06:25
Galicia didn't simply have "lots of Ukrainian peasants". Millions of Ukrainians formed the majority of its population.
You mean East Galicia, of course


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Post by henryk » 09 Jun 2020, 20:38

Futurist wrote:
09 Jun 2020, 08:23
Mostly correct. I believe that Poles + Jews were a majority in eastern Galician cities but Ukrainians were a majority in the eastern Galician countryside as well as in eastern Galicia as a whole.
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Abstracted from:
http://www.usindexlist.de/keyword/Galic ... ral_Europe).php#Population_of_the_Eastern_Galicia_in_1931
Locality-------------------------Polish Total %----------Ukrainian Total %
Southeast Poland--------------2,007,215 39.7%-------2,650,997 52.5% (East Galicia)
Lwow City------------------------ 198,212 63.5%----------35,137 11.3%
Lwow Voivodship-----------------885,926 44.9%---------903,984 45.8%
Tarnopol Voivodship-------------789,114 49.3%---------728,135 45.5%
Stanislawow Voivodship---------332,175 22.4%--------1,018,878 68.8%
(excluding Stanis. Voi.)---------1,675,040 45.2%--------1,632,119 44.1%

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Post by gebhk » 09 Jun 2020, 21:04

No, it was a class war, peasants vs their lords.
True, but the two are often indistinguishable

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Post by Futurist » 10 Jun 2020, 00:28

"(excluding Stanis. Voi.)---------1,675,040 45.2%--------1,632,119 44.1%"

What territory is this referring to? As in, Stanislawow Voivodeship is being excluded from which territory?

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Post by henryk » 10 Jun 2020, 21:17

Futurist wrote:
10 Jun 2020, 00:28
"(excluding Stanis. Voi.)---------1,675,040 45.2%--------1,632,119 44.1%"

What territory is this referring to? As in, Stanislawow Voivodeship is being excluded from which territory?
Yes, the population of Stanislawow is not included in the total.

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Post by Futurist » 24 Jun 2020, 23:17

henryk wrote:
10 Jun 2020, 21:17
Futurist wrote:
10 Jun 2020, 00:28
"(excluding Stanis. Voi.)---------1,675,040 45.2%--------1,632,119 44.1%"

What territory is this referring to? As in, Stanislawow Voivodeship is being excluded from which territory?
Yes, the population of Stanislawow is not included in the total.
In the total Galician population?

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Post by henryk » 25 Jun 2020, 23:12

Thee total is, as stated, for East Galicia.


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