Did Volhynian Czechs fare better in Poland or in the pre-Stalin Soviet Union?

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Re: Did Volhynian Czechs fare better in Poland or in the pre-Stalin Soviet Union?

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Post by Futurist » 22 Dec 2020, 02:57

Would you say the same about any German or Polish histories of the Oder-Neisse Line and/or the Recovered Territories?

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Post by gebhk » 23 Dec 2020, 15:15

Even more so, I would say, because the claims to the lands by both parties - the Polish then, the German now - were/are historical rather than ethnic.


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Re: Did Volhynian Czechs fare better in Poland or in the pre-Stalin Soviet Union?

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Post by wm » 24 Dec 2020, 00:07

Futurist wrote:
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What made western Poland more special than eastern Poland other than its proximity to Germany?
Polish landed estates, confiscated by the Czarist government after the January Uprising and handed over to the settlers.

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Post by Futurist » 24 Dec 2020, 00:24

And such estates didn't exist further east?

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Post by wm » 24 Dec 2020, 00:38

That was the first partition, it happened earlier, there were fewer Poles, there was no Uprising there.

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Post by Futurist » 24 Dec 2020, 00:56

No uprising in the Polish lands further to the east?

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Post by gebhk » 24 Dec 2020, 09:52

This, like most such things, is a multifactorial situation. I think this was discussed in the context of the Lodz Germans. For one thing there was a period of colonisation by Germans as part of a germanisation policy, when Lodz and its environs was part of Prussia. It was then handed over to Russia as part of the Treaty of Versailles, and Russia rubber-stamped the status quo. Subsequently, more Germans were imported privately by local Polish landowners to improve farming practice.

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Re: Did Volhynian Czechs fare better in Poland or in the pre-Stalin Soviet Union?

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Post by henryk » 24 Dec 2020, 21:18

gebhk wrote:
24 Dec 2020, 09:52
This, like most such things, is a multifactorial situation. I think this was discussed in the context of the Lodz Germans. For one thing there was a period of colonisation by Germans as part of a germanisation policy, when Lodz and its environs was part of Prussia. It was then handed over to Russia as part of the Treaty of Versailles, and Russia rubber-stamped the status quo. Subsequently, more Germans were imported privately by local Polish landowners to improve farming practice.
Lodz was only part of Prussia from 1793 to 1806.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81%C3 ... _of_Vienna
With the second partition of Poland in 1793, Łódź became part of the Kingdom of Prussia's province of South Prussia, and was known in German as Lodsch. In 1798 the Prussians nationalised the town, and it lost its status as a town of the bishops of Kuyavia. In 1806 Łódź joined the Napoleonic Duchy of Warsaw and in 1810 it had approximately 190 inhabitants. After the 1815 Congress of Vienna treaty it became part of the Congress Kingdom of Poland, a client state of the Russian Empire.
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Despite the air of impending crisis preceding World War I, the city grew constantly until 1914. By that year it had become one of the most densely populated as well as one of the most polluted industrial cities in the world—13,280 inhabitants per square kilometre (34,400/sq mi). A major battle was fought near the city in late 1914, and as a result the city came under German occupation after 6 December[21][22][23] but with Polish independence restored in November 1918 the local population liberated the city and disarmed the German troops. In the aftermath of World War I, Łódź lost approximately 40% of its inhabitants, mostly owing to draft, diseases, pollution and primarily because of the mass expulsion of the city's German population back to Germany.

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Post by wm » 25 Dec 2020, 00:49

Futurist wrote:
24 Dec 2020, 00:56
No uprising in the Polish lands further to the east?
Military activity was mostly confined to the third partition, the others were too weak for that.

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Post by Futurist » 25 Dec 2020, 02:19

The Third Partition territory was pretty large, though.

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