Were Polish Red Army soldiers traitors?

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Post by PolAntek » 18 Jul 2003 05:06

oleg wrote:I've seen population camps reports how is that for a source?Because, you see, when they resettled someone, or whatever, thy have to count them, and then as they move them along they have to count them again and again on each intimidate station, and then finally when they arrived they have to count them again every damn day. So this is how I know. That is why my margin of error is 50 thousands while yours is 10 times this number.


So I suppose you have seen ALL of the camp reports, and added up the totals for yourself? And you have access to ALL of these documents, supposing that they still ALL exist? Sorry Oleg, but I remain somewhat skeptical.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 18 Jul 2003 06:19

PolAntek wrote:
oleg wrote:I've seen population camps reports how is that for a source?Because, you see, when they resettled someone, or whatever, thy have to count them, and then as they move them along they have to count them again and again on each intimidate station, and then finally when they arrived they have to count them again every damn day. So this is how I know. That is why my margin of error is 50 thousands while yours is 10 times this number.


So I suppose you have seen ALL of the camp reports, and added up the totals for yourself? And you have access to ALL of these documents, supposing that they still ALL exist? Sorry Oleg, but I remain somewhat skeptical.
I have access to ALL summuries which were sent to the head of respective departments -they have been a matter of public domain for quite a while now.
here for instance list of all echelones that went from 23.08.1944 to 20.12.1945
http://www.memo.ru/history/POLAcy/CAT_ESZJ.htm#_VPID_81

staff like this is just a mouse click away.
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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 18 Jul 2003 06:29

PolAntek wrote:
oleg wrote: P.S my native town was one of the main points for the Poles - it is located roaugly 200 km south of Moscow - I did not know it was Siberia.


So what? With a gun pointed to my head by some Soviet thugs and 15 minutes to pack up a restricted amount of belongings before being sent away never to see my home again - Oleg, it is irrelevant where the deportation of these innocent thousands were to - whether just across town or right across the continent.
it is relevent as far as hsitory goes.

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Post by Ogorek » 18 Jul 2003 16:15

If a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears it, did it make any noise?

Are these summaries broken down by supposed ethnicity?

Are there totals for people sent into internal exile in the "Soviet Republics" without being entered into the camp system as in later deportations?

And yes, we could always trust the NKVD, especially in their internal documents.... "CYA" has long existed.

Sorry, just another Polish Chauvanist wallowing in self-pity and whining.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 18 Jul 2003 16:23

Ogorek wrote:If a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears it, did it make any noise?

Are these summaries broken down by supposed ethnicity?

Are there totals for people sent into internal exile in the "Soviet Republics" without being entered into the camp system as in later deportations?

And yes, we could always trust the NKVD, especially in their internal documents.... "CYA" has long existed.

Sorry, just another Polish Chauvanist wallowing in self-pity and whining.
they are broken by operations - were opertaions agaisnt ethnic Poles in USSr prior to 1939, so my figure actully include these people as well. as for reability - general assumaption is peopel who run this kind of operation (camps, etc) need to know how many people they are dealing with.

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