Poles bomb Berlin??
- Aufklarung
- Member
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: 17 Mar 2002, 05:27
- Location: Canada
Poles bomb Berlin??
Hi all
I heard a vague mention about the Poles possibly attacking Germany by air just after the war commenced. This air raid may or may not have happened but was supposedly a very real Polish Air Force plan. Can anyone shed a bit more light on this interesting possibility?
Thanx in advance.
regards
A
I heard a vague mention about the Poles possibly attacking Germany by air just after the war commenced. This air raid may or may not have happened but was supposedly a very real Polish Air Force plan. Can anyone shed a bit more light on this interesting possibility?
Thanx in advance.
regards
A
- Gen. Erwin Rommel
- Member
- Posts: 532
- Joined: 06 Apr 2003, 23:54
- Location: Portugal
- PanzerKing
- Member
- Posts: 1244
- Joined: 28 Feb 2003, 03:26
- Location: Texas USA
If memory serves me right, there were 36 servicible P-36 Los bombers capable of a 2500 kg bombload each...so a small strike wouldn't have gone un-noticed! Unfortunetly, the Poles used the bombers to attack ground targets and support columns sparingly, so they did not make much a contribution, they could have however.Gen. Erwin Rommel wrote:I never heard nothing about it, but what kind of damage could they do?
I dont know how meany planes capable to do something were avaiable, but im sure that they weren't a lot.
Besides even if they somehow were able to lunch their strike, i guess that the most of them would be shuted down.
- Aufklarung
- Member
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: 17 Mar 2002, 05:27
- Location: Canada
Hi
Panzerking, I think you mean P.37 PZL Los.
http://ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/p37.html
Still no luck on any mention of this attack or planned attack?
regards
A
Panzerking, I think you mean P.37 PZL Los.
http://ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/p37.html
Still no luck on any mention of this attack or planned attack?
regards
A
Wow! Nice pice of aircraft, looks very similar to the Heinkel He-111 bomber.Aufklarung wrote:Hi
Panzerking, I think you mean P.37 PZL Los.
http://ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/p37.html
Still no luck on any mention of this attack or planned attack?
regards
A
- Gen. Erwin Rommel
- Member
- Posts: 532
- Joined: 06 Apr 2003, 23:54
- Location: Portugal
Like i thougth, what could 36 bombers do against Berlin?
Damage something, but nothing big.
- Besides, if the attack was during the day the most of the bombers if not all would have been shuted down by the AA and the Luftwaffe.
- During the evening, i dont know if the Polish airforce was able to find Berlin, bomb it and came back untoutched.
In the best scenario the Polish could hit something around, never nothing important, because they didint even had enougth bombers to try a small carpet bombing, and all they could do if they reatched the sky around Berlin was to target an area, like for example Charlottenburg, or Friedrichshain, and after the attack if 50% of the bombers were able to return to base, that would be a good result.
But how could this affect the war?
I cant really see how, everything would happend exacly like it happend, the only thing that i can remenber is that maybe Hitler ordered the reinforcment of AA defences around Berlin, what could have caused some extra damege to the British and Americans some years later, but nothing else than that.
Damage something, but nothing big.
- Besides, if the attack was during the day the most of the bombers if not all would have been shuted down by the AA and the Luftwaffe.
- During the evening, i dont know if the Polish airforce was able to find Berlin, bomb it and came back untoutched.
In the best scenario the Polish could hit something around, never nothing important, because they didint even had enougth bombers to try a small carpet bombing, and all they could do if they reatched the sky around Berlin was to target an area, like for example Charlottenburg, or Friedrichshain, and after the attack if 50% of the bombers were able to return to base, that would be a good result.
But how could this affect the war?
I cant really see how, everything would happend exacly like it happend, the only thing that i can remenber is that maybe Hitler ordered the reinforcment of AA defences around Berlin, what could have caused some extra damege to the British and Americans some years later, but nothing else than that.
- Musashi
- Member
- Posts: 4656
- Joined: 13 Dec 2002, 16:07
- Location: Coventry, West Midlands, the UK [it's one big roundabout]
- Contact:
Many PZL P-37 "Los" (Elk) have been sold to Rumania (30), Bulgaria (15) and Yugoslavia (20). Greece, Turkey, Finland and Estonia had planned to buy this bomber, but the war begun. That bomber won competition and proved to be the best bomber in Europe in 1936.
See that
See that
- Gen. Erwin Rommel
- Member
- Posts: 532
- Joined: 06 Apr 2003, 23:54
- Location: Portugal
- PanzerKing
- Member
- Posts: 1244
- Joined: 28 Feb 2003, 03:26
- Location: Texas USA
- Musashi
- Member
- Posts: 4656
- Joined: 13 Dec 2002, 16:07
- Location: Coventry, West Midlands, the UK [it's one big roundabout]
- Contact:
Yes, its must be an error The Rumanians bought Polish P-24 "Kobuz" fighters which were basis of Rumanian IAR-80. IAR-80 had a fuselage from Polish P-24 and the wings were Rumanian.PanzerKing wrote:Well I know they were called the P-37 in Romanian service, but in a book I have it calls it a P-36 Los, maybe an error.
Actually only 5 of the 30 Romanian P.24Es were bought. The rest 25 were manufactured at IAR Brasov.Musashi wrote:Yes, its must be an error The Rumanians bought Polish P-24 "Kobuz" fighters which were basis of Rumanian IAR-80. IAR-80 had a fuselage from Polish P-24 and the wings were Rumanian.PanzerKing wrote:Well I know they were called the P-37 in Romanian service, but in a book I have it calls it a P-36 Los, maybe an error.
Only the rear part of the IAR-80 fuselage was similar to the P.24 but it was lengthened.
The wings were similar to those of the JRS-79 bomber, but of course scaled down.
- Musashi
- Member
- Posts: 4656
- Joined: 13 Dec 2002, 16:07
- Location: Coventry, West Midlands, the UK [it's one big roundabout]
- Contact:
I agree. Thanks for the infoVictor wrote:Actually only 5 of the 30 Romanian P.24Es were bought. The rest 25 were manufactured at IAR Brasov.Musashi wrote:Yes, its must be an error The Rumanians bought Polish P-24 "Kobuz" fighters which were basis of Rumanian IAR-80. IAR-80 had a fuselage from Polish P-24 and the wings were Rumanian.PanzerKing wrote:Well I know they were called the P-37 in Romanian service, but in a book I have it calls it a P-36 Los, maybe an error.
Only the rear part of the IAR-80 fuselage was similar to the P.24 but it was lengthened.
The wings were similar to those of the JRS-79 bomber, but of course scaled down.
- PanzerKing
- Member
- Posts: 1244
- Joined: 28 Feb 2003, 03:26
- Location: Texas USA
I think you might be confused a bit. I was speaking about the P.37 Los, there were 19 servicable planes with the ARR. I don't know why you brought up the P.24!Musashi wrote:Yes, its must be an error The Rumanians bought Polish P-24 "Kobuz" fighters which were basis of Rumanian IAR-80. IAR-80 had a fuselage from Polish P-24 and the wings were Rumanian.PanzerKing wrote:Well I know they were called the P-37 in Romanian service, but in a book I have it calls it a P-36 Los, maybe an error.
I was stating that there was an error because the book referred to them as P.36 and not P.37.
Hi,
Of course there weren't any plans of bombing Berlin - but there were plans of bombing targets in Germany .
Polish HQ didn't agree to this. Bombers (not only PZL 37) were much more useful against German columns.
And few corrections:
1. Not PZL P-37 Los, but PZL - 37b.
"P" means "Pulaski" (name of constructor) and PZL-37 Los was designed by Jerzy Dabrowski.
http://ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/p37.html
2. Not PZL P-24g "Kobuz" but simply PZL P-24g.
There was PZL P-11g "Kobuz" in 1939. It was a modified version of P-11c fighter fitted with Mercury VIII engines initially intended for the PZL 50 fighters.
3. It would be very difficult for PZL 37 to win a competition in 1936 - first prototype was tested in June (or December - not sure) 1936.
Regards,
Arek
Of course there weren't any plans of bombing Berlin - but there were plans of bombing targets in Germany .
Polish HQ didn't agree to this. Bombers (not only PZL 37) were much more useful against German columns.
And few corrections:
1. Not PZL P-37 Los, but PZL - 37b.
"P" means "Pulaski" (name of constructor) and PZL-37 Los was designed by Jerzy Dabrowski.
http://ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/p37.html
2. Not PZL P-24g "Kobuz" but simply PZL P-24g.
There was PZL P-11g "Kobuz" in 1939. It was a modified version of P-11c fighter fitted with Mercury VIII engines initially intended for the PZL 50 fighters.
3. It would be very difficult for PZL 37 to win a competition in 1936 - first prototype was tested in June (or December - not sure) 1936.
Regards,
Arek