Polish Uniform Portraits and ID

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by John G. » 23 Oct 2011 12:39

sylvieK4,
No need to remove anything....I did see the one guy in Polish uniform, thought he might have been in a "foreign delegation" to a military funeral from 36/37/38 when Germany & Poland still have reasonably good relations.....though someone didn't know thier NSKOV hat emblems.....my mistake!
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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by history1 » 23 Oct 2011 13:53

Without doubt there are members of the polish delegation in this image, but John is right too. The men carring the wreath aren´t polish. The person at the right (only partly visible) is Jan Augustyn Karkoszka (http://bs.sejm.gov.pl/F/?func=find-b&re ... base=ars10) a member of the polish Parliament who´s assignment was e.g. the social welfare and aid for handicaped soldiers, matters of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs. Behind him IMHO a second Pole who together layed with Karkoszka the wreath down. Presumarly the polish officer with cap was assigned to dress the banderole (not sure it´s the correct term). Note that the writing on it seems to be in german.
In the original it seems that the delegation was getting ahead of the column for the ceremonious act at the Grave of the unknown Soldier in Berlin at Unter den Linden. On other images of this serial Karkoszka is seen with Hanns Oberlindober, the leader of the National Socialist War Victim's Care (NSKOV).
http://audiovis.nac.gov.pl/obraz/163529:1/

@John: It happened in October 1936.

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by westrsm » 03 Dec 2011 09:10

Hi all,

Here is a portrait that was among my husband's family photos. We do not know who he is or when it was taken. From the cap and collar I believe it is a polish uniform post WW1.

Can someone confirm this for me? I am a neophyte in army memorabilia.

Thank you,

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by history1 » 03 Dec 2011 17:42

westrsm wrote:Hi all,
Here is a portrait that was among my husband's family photos.[...]
Westrsm

Hi Westrsm,
sadly you forgot to upload the image or insert a link.

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by westrsm » 04 Dec 2011 04:25

Thank you! I have uploaded picture now.

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by KevWad » 31 Mar 2012 01:12

I have on picture of my greatgrandfather, only I really know near to nothing about what's he wearing. I would see he's in some sort of uniform looking at his pants & boots (and I always though he might be holding a cap behind his back...), so it was likely to be taken during his couple years of military service, like a dress uniform? Anyone have anything they might be able to tell?
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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by John G. » 31 Mar 2012 01:31

With that neck tie, maybe more of a "Gentleman's Riding Habit" from that time period- batwing pants & high boots were (and still are!) widely associated with horseback riding....and no National Uniform would have allowed that necktie!....
Could be just the lower half of a uniform, too, of course....
Just my guess....
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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by John G. » 31 Mar 2012 01:32

Sorry, double post....
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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by history1 » 31 Mar 2012 12:33

Agree with John, it´s not an uniform.
To me it seems that he wear a festive costume. Trousers of this stile with jackbooths were quite common at this time and also in the 40s in rural area. Did you note the small twig beneath the lapel? In some villages in my state people wear rosemary twigs when invited at weddings.
Note that he don´t keep his right arm behind his back but that it sticks in the trouser pocket.

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by KevWad » 31 Mar 2012 18:42

aye, thanks for the help guys!

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by Trackhead M2 » 02 May 2012 16:45

Dear All,
These are some great photos. I will be attending a reenactment in Lowell, IN this weekend. We will have a Polish Lancers unit attending. If they are wearing actual Polish Uniforms they ride horses. If they are in Free Polish Battledress, they ride motorcycles and Jeeps. Hope to see any of you there. I will be with the US 70th Tank Battalion.
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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by sylvieK4 » 07 May 2012 14:22

Hello, Trackhead M2. If you have any photos of the Polish reenactors, please post them to the "Polish Reenactment" thread here on the forum. See:

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=43636

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by Trackhead M2 » 07 May 2012 20:43

sylvieK4 wrote:Hello, Trackhead M2. If you have any photos of the Polish reenactors, please post them to the "Polish Reenactment" thread here on the forum. See:

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=43636

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Dear sK4,
Take a look at the Roberts Armory Website for posted photos for allied units and the WW 2 HRS website as well.
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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by Peter K » 07 May 2012 22:23

SylvieK4, regarding the photo you posted:

These are not very accurate reenactors because:

1) They charge in parade uniforms instead of field uniforms (and in caps instead of helmets)
2) They use lances in this charge and lances weren't used in combat in 1939 (if they reenact 1920 it's OK)
3) If they charge (charges were very rare though) they should carry sabers & pistols in their hands

It should look like this instead:

http://www.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~bolas/main/home.htm

1 is field cap ("rogatywka" model) type 1937. 2 is field cap ("furażerka" model) type 1923, some of them were still in use in 1939, but type 1937 "rogatywka" cap was more popular. And number 3 is "Adrian" helmet:

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And if they have caps, they should have field caps not parade ones - field cap type 1937:

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Some wartime photos:

17th Uhlan Regiment soon before attacking German positions in Walewice, 10 September 1939:

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Commander of 15th Uhlan Regiment saying goodbye to his soldiers, Warsaw, 28 September 1939:

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Warsaw soon before capitulation, 27 September 1939, Uhlans of Wielkopolska Cavalry Brigade:

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Late August / early September 1939 - 1st Uhlan Regiment march to the front from garrison in Augustow:

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Anti-Tank gun crew in a Polish cavalry regiment (described as wartime but can as well be pre-war):

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And a picture from Osprey:

Guy on the left has field cap type 1937 and lance, guy on the right has helmet type 1915 ("Adrian") and Browning LMG:

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After capitulation of Warsaw:

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Pre-war photo:

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Horse Artillery Battalions (one such battalion was integral part of every cavalry brigade):



Horse Artillery Battalion of Wolynska Cavalry Brigade in the battle of Mokra (pictures):

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=15600&start=30

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Re: Polish Uniform Portraits

Post by CLoza » 09 Jul 2012 06:38

I thought I would contribute to this thread with some of my grandfather's photos that I recently found.
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