Does anyone know how many and what type tanks the Polish Home Army captured and used during the 1944 Warsaw Uprising?
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David
Polish Home Army Tanks
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Sdkfz 251 called "Szary wilk"
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... _szary.htm
Sdkfz was modifyed by adding steel roof.
second Sdkfz called "Starówka"- "Old town" - where was used:
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... arowka.htm
Home made armoured car "Kubuś" - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz8.jpg
more: http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... _kubus.htm
Kubuś today - Military museum in Warsaw - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/galerie/ ... 220012.jpg
Hetzer called "Chwat" http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz9_copy.jpg
more: http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... _chwat.htm
Names were from soldiers "nicknames" used instead of family names, what prevent from arresting soldier's family.
Kubuś - it was nick used by main constructor's wife
Szary Wilk - was used by fallen soldier, first armoured car's leader.
Bogward - explosion killed more than 250 people - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz4.jpg
was captured on the barikade and taken to the town (against orders)
Panther - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/tank1.jpg
http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz13.jpg
http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/panther1.jpg
more: http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... anther.htm
also was one FAI
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... _szary.htm
Sdkfz was modifyed by adding steel roof.
second Sdkfz called "Starówka"- "Old town" - where was used:
http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... arowka.htm
Home made armoured car "Kubuś" - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz8.jpg
more: http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... _kubus.htm
Kubuś today - Military museum in Warsaw - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/galerie/ ... 220012.jpg
Hetzer called "Chwat" http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz9_copy.jpg
more: http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... _chwat.htm
Names were from soldiers "nicknames" used instead of family names, what prevent from arresting soldier's family.
Kubuś - it was nick used by main constructor's wife
Szary Wilk - was used by fallen soldier, first armoured car's leader.
Bogward - explosion killed more than 250 people - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz4.jpg
was captured on the barikade and taken to the town (against orders)
Panther - http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/tank1.jpg
http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz13.jpg
http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/panther1.jpg
more: http://wilk.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~whatfor/poja ... anther.htm
also was one FAI
Last edited by mietek on 13 Jun 2004, 11:51, edited 1 time in total.
Hello David.
At least Two Panthers were use , they were captured during the fights of the 2 August 1944.
One undamaged, the other with the turret damaged by a hit of Piat and quickly repaired.
they were crewed by menbers of the "Zoska"Bn.One of the Panther was named "Pudel" the other "Magda".
During the first days of the Upresing some Armored cars were captured
perhaps a SdKfz 231.
The 2 August 1944 in the Post Office aera two Hetzers were captured by members of the "Kilinski" Battalion,one named "Chwat"(Gallant Lad).
On the 5 August 1944,a SdKfz 251 was captured by members of the101st company of the" Boncza"Bn.
A Armored car platoon was formed the 14 August with two Sdkfz 251,
one called "Jas".
A third Sdkfz 251 was joined on 22 August.
A improvised Armored car was built on a light lorry chassis and named Kubus".
"Jas"and "Kubus" fight in the Warsaw University,"Jas" was later named "Szary Wilk".
Most of this informations came from Polish Armour 1939-45 Osprey-Vangard n°30.
Cheers Patrice
At least Two Panthers were use , they were captured during the fights of the 2 August 1944.
One undamaged, the other with the turret damaged by a hit of Piat and quickly repaired.
they were crewed by menbers of the "Zoska"Bn.One of the Panther was named "Pudel" the other "Magda".
During the first days of the Upresing some Armored cars were captured
perhaps a SdKfz 231.
The 2 August 1944 in the Post Office aera two Hetzers were captured by members of the "Kilinski" Battalion,one named "Chwat"(Gallant Lad).
On the 5 August 1944,a SdKfz 251 was captured by members of the101st company of the" Boncza"Bn.
A Armored car platoon was formed the 14 August with two Sdkfz 251,
one called "Jas".
A third Sdkfz 251 was joined on 22 August.
A improvised Armored car was built on a light lorry chassis and named Kubus".
"Jas"and "Kubus" fight in the Warsaw University,"Jas" was later named "Szary Wilk".
Most of this informations came from Polish Armour 1939-45 Osprey-Vangard n°30.
Cheers Patrice
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Hey Thanks Guys!!! I appreciate all of the help!
There's an incident recounted in Greorge Bruce's "The Warsaw Uprising" (pages 219-220) where a German "light tank" shelled the barricades, then its crew fled. The tank was captured by boys from the "Gustav" battalion and driven behind the barricades to near Krasinski Palace. There it blew up, wounding Komorowski and killing nearly a hundred people. The tank had been booby-trapped and the explosives set off with a clockwork device.
Does anyone know more about this incident? What type of tank was it?
Best Regards, David
There's an incident recounted in Greorge Bruce's "The Warsaw Uprising" (pages 219-220) where a German "light tank" shelled the barricades, then its crew fled. The tank was captured by boys from the "Gustav" battalion and driven behind the barricades to near Krasinski Palace. There it blew up, wounding Komorowski and killing nearly a hundred people. The tank had been booby-trapped and the explosives set off with a clockwork device.
Does anyone know more about this incident? What type of tank was it?
Best Regards, David
Actualy probably it was Polish mistake, soldiers were not familiar with german weapon and armour. It was explosives carrier Borgward (http://www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm?http ... chw-01.htm ,
more: http://balsi.de/Waffen+Gebaeude/Sonderw ... ldtrag.htm
http://mythicpanzers.jexiste.fr/Files/V ... /SPV-4.htm )
Vehicle had some engine problems, or something like this and stoped near the barricade. Driver escaped. Polish soldiers removed part of the barricade and drove to the town. After that was the explosion, because many people come to see captured "tank" there was many casualties.
Vehicle after explosion: http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz4.jpg
Today it's impossible to know, was it Polish mistake, or Germans did it as a terrorist act.
more: http://balsi.de/Waffen+Gebaeude/Sonderw ... ldtrag.htm
http://mythicpanzers.jexiste.fr/Files/V ... /SPV-4.htm )
Vehicle had some engine problems, or something like this and stoped near the barricade. Driver escaped. Polish soldiers removed part of the barricade and drove to the town. After that was the explosion, because many people come to see captured "tank" there was many casualties.
Vehicle after explosion: http://www.odkrywca-online.com/picsforum1/cz4.jpg
Today it's impossible to know, was it Polish mistake, or Germans did it as a terrorist act.
It's old book - present knowlege is that there were 2 Panthers, 1 Hetzer, 2 SdKfz251 (251/3 - Szary Wilk), 1 Tiger 1, Kubu¶, 1 FAI, Borward BIV Ausf C.Patrice wrote:Hello David.
At least Two Panthers were use , they were captured during the fights of the 2 August 1944.
One undamaged, the other with the turret damaged by a hit of Piat and quickly repaired.
they were crewed by menbers of the "Zoska"Bn.One of the Panther was named "Pudel" the other "Magda".
During the first days of the Upresing some Armored cars were captured
perhaps a SdKfz 231.
The 2 August 1944 in the Post Office aera two Hetzers were captured by members of the "Kilinski" Battalion,one named "Chwat"(Gallant Lad).
On the 5 August 1944,a SdKfz 251 was captured by members of the101st company of the" Boncza"Bn.
A Armored car platoon was formed the 14 August with two Sdkfz 251,
one called "Jas".
A third Sdkfz 251 was joined on 22 August.
A improvised Armored car was built on a light lorry chassis and named Kubus".
"Jas"and "Kubus" fight in the Warsaw University,"Jas" was later named "Szary Wilk".
Most of this informations came from Polish Armour 1939-45 Osprey-Vangard n°30.
Cheers Patrice
Anyway Polish used in combat both Panthers, Kubu¶ and 251/3.
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Hi David,
I am affraid that there is no undobtful origin of both Panther - we can make short list of German units which had Panther Ausf G that time and was somewhere arround Warsaw and more likely they came from 19PzDiv. You can bet on 4PzDiv or maybe Totekopf as well but they were not so close to Warsaw as 19PzDiv which subunits were roll thru city on 2nd August to be engage against Soviet. They returned later to Warsaw but it is another - mid September story
But the problem is, those tanks were durring the way to or from depot/maintain unit located on Boernerowo (today Warsaw -Bemowo district) and they had technicials as crews so there is no certain unit identyfication.
Marek
I am affraid that there is no undobtful origin of both Panther - we can make short list of German units which had Panther Ausf G that time and was somewhere arround Warsaw and more likely they came from 19PzDiv. You can bet on 4PzDiv or maybe Totekopf as well but they were not so close to Warsaw as 19PzDiv which subunits were roll thru city on 2nd August to be engage against Soviet. They returned later to Warsaw but it is another - mid September story
But the problem is, those tanks were durring the way to or from depot/maintain unit located on Boernerowo (today Warsaw -Bemowo district) and they had technicials as crews so there is no certain unit identyfication.
Marek
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David C. Clarke
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No problem. We can identify Tiger I captured on Ochota district - vehicle which was on the way from Germany to the 'mother' unit - Totekopf (see TIC2). 'Szary Wilk' was ex- Wiking APC - one W-SS crewmember captured.David C. Clarke wrote:Thank You Marek. Yes, I think it would be difficult to find the exact unit, but I was curious.
Best Regards, David
Marek
Hello David...
The Panthers captured on Okopowa St. were from the Hermann Goring Division which was transiting Warsaw.... The recent CNN documentary on the Uprising had an interview with the CO of the two tank “Platoon.”
Also there was the wreck of a Italian Semovente L40 in the area which may or may not have been part of the incident
Cheers....
Ogorek
The Panthers captured on Okopowa St. were from the Hermann Goring Division which was transiting Warsaw.... The recent CNN documentary on the Uprising had an interview with the CO of the two tank “Platoon.”
Also there was the wreck of a Italian Semovente L40 in the area which may or may not have been part of the incident
Cheers....
Ogorek
Ogorek- HG had not Panthers that time, check any HG Division history.Ogorek wrote:Hello David...
The Panthers captured on Okopowa St. were from the Hermann Goring Division which was transiting Warsaw.... The recent CNN documentary on the Uprising had an interview with the CO of the two tank “Platoon.”
Marek