Poles in Scotland
Poles in Scotland
Hi to all! New in this Forum. About the following information, I am very interested in knowing why a Polish Lieutenant, young and healthy, would be granted a 2-year leave from 01-09-1942. Leave extended until 01.09.1947. AS he was in Scotland at the moment, I don’t understand the reason he was not in active service.
He was a Second Lieutenant (Armoured Corps). Born 19 of March 1903 in Lwow, Poland. He was married, polish nationality, roman catholic. Civilian occupation prior to Army Service: journalist.
Service with the Polish Forces under British Command: from 1º/7/1940 until 31 of May 1948. This date, 1st of July 1940, is the date he arrived to England.
Service with the Polish Resettlement Corps:
relegated to: finally discharged:
Class "W" Reserve on relinquished commission on
Unemployed List (honourably discharged)
Conduct: his record and services were satisfactory
Former Service and History:
Re-called from the reserve on 27.08.1939 to Armoured Battalion. Took part in the 1939 September campaign in Poland (01.09.1939-19.09.1939). Crossed the border into Hungary on 20.09.1939 and via Yugoslavia and Italy made his way to France, where he reported to the Polish Military authorities in Paris on 16.10.1939 and came under French command with effect from that date.
On the capitulation of France in June 1940, was evacuated to the United Kingdom, arrived on 3.06.1940 and came under British command with effect from 01.07.1940 and was posted to Nº 2 Camp, Biggar. Transferred to Officer's Camp, Broughton on 23.07.1040 and to Officer's Camp, Kircaldy in September 1940.
Granted 2-year leave from 01-09-1942. Leave extended until 01.09.1947.
Finally discharged on 31.05.1948.
British Medal Entitlement:
-Defence Medal
-War Medal 1939-45 which he never claimed.
Many thanks for any clues. Raine, living in South Patagonia
He was a Second Lieutenant (Armoured Corps). Born 19 of March 1903 in Lwow, Poland. He was married, polish nationality, roman catholic. Civilian occupation prior to Army Service: journalist.
Service with the Polish Forces under British Command: from 1º/7/1940 until 31 of May 1948. This date, 1st of July 1940, is the date he arrived to England.
Service with the Polish Resettlement Corps:
relegated to: finally discharged:
Class "W" Reserve on relinquished commission on
Unemployed List (honourably discharged)
Conduct: his record and services were satisfactory
Former Service and History:
Re-called from the reserve on 27.08.1939 to Armoured Battalion. Took part in the 1939 September campaign in Poland (01.09.1939-19.09.1939). Crossed the border into Hungary on 20.09.1939 and via Yugoslavia and Italy made his way to France, where he reported to the Polish Military authorities in Paris on 16.10.1939 and came under French command with effect from that date.
On the capitulation of France in June 1940, was evacuated to the United Kingdom, arrived on 3.06.1940 and came under British command with effect from 01.07.1940 and was posted to Nº 2 Camp, Biggar. Transferred to Officer's Camp, Broughton on 23.07.1040 and to Officer's Camp, Kircaldy in September 1940.
Granted 2-year leave from 01-09-1942. Leave extended until 01.09.1947.
Finally discharged on 31.05.1948.
British Medal Entitlement:
-Defence Medal
-War Medal 1939-45 which he never claimed.
Many thanks for any clues. Raine, living in South Patagonia
pols in Scotland
Thank you, Henryk!
1) seconded to the Polish Government-In-Exile.
2) sent to Poland to serve in the underground, Armja Krajowa.
It can not be the 2). He did not leave UK between 1940 and end of 1948. As far as I know, he did travel from Edinburgh to the north of Scotland and/or to London very often. But he was at home for weeks, and had a regular payment.
Can you tell me more about the chance he was seconded to the Polish Government-In-Exile, please? very thankful.
Raine, in far away Patagonia
1) seconded to the Polish Government-In-Exile.
2) sent to Poland to serve in the underground, Armja Krajowa.
It can not be the 2). He did not leave UK between 1940 and end of 1948. As far as I know, he did travel from Edinburgh to the north of Scotland and/or to London very often. But he was at home for weeks, and had a regular payment.
Can you tell me more about the chance he was seconded to the Polish Government-In-Exile, please? very thankful.
Raine, in far away Patagonia
Thank you very much for your help! A little more… in this photo, my father is the one laying, on the right. Anyone know when and where this picture could be taken? Maybe uniforms give some idea?
Best regards from Rine at [email protected]
Best regards from Rine at [email protected]
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I'm no expert on the precise workings of the British aid to the AK, but I suspect that if he had been sent to Poland, it would not necessarily have been documented neatly on his papers. Furthermore, I do not think it would have interrupted the flow of his wages to his wife (who I take it was in the UK for this period). However, since you seem to know he remained in the UK from sources other than his papers, we'll disregard that option. As for secondment to the Government in Exile, this could, as Stephan suggests, have included helping to keep an eye on other aliens resident in the UK - a security function which I suppose could loosely be described as "counter-espionage". Likely though there were many other, mundane tasks he could have been doing for the Polish Government.
Good luck with your genealogical research.
Zygmunt
Good luck with your genealogical research.
Zygmunt
I think this is the most probable.Zygmunt wrote: Likely though there were many other, mundane tasks he could have been doing for the Polish Government.
Zygmunt
In the first post its mentioned he was a journalist, he could have been employed by either the Polish Government or the British in that role during the war.
It would make sense, expoit the skills he already had.
Right, depending on his language skills - what languages do you think he had command of at that time? - he could have been useful in writing propaganda - sorry, I meant unbiased news stories - for dissemination throughout the various communities in Britain, etc. etc. etc.redcoat wrote:In the first post its mentioned he was a journalist, he could have been employed by either the Polish Government or the British in that role during the war.
Zygmunt
Zygmunt interpretes
This is possible, but it was NOT my guess. They had many different secret projects, and many persons worked secretly. I use the words secret service in a very wide sense. I dont know what - but I am almost sure it was something.as Stephan suggests, have included helping to keep an eye on other aliens resident in the UK ...
Ok, sorry if you feel I pigeonholed your response. But perhaps I thought that because you didn't just say "secret service" you also said "kontraspionage" [sic].Stephan wrote:Zygmunt interpretesThis is possible, but it was NOT my guess. They had many different secret projects, and many persons worked secretly. I use the words secret service in a very wide sense. I dont know what - but I am almost sure it was something.as Stephan suggests, have included helping to keep an eye on other aliens resident in the UK ...
Regards,
Zygmunt
pols in Scotland
>what languages do you think he had command of at that time?
Hi once more! my father could use polish of course, french and german!, he could deal with regional dialects, and a little Iddish. By the end of his life, also English and Spanish.
All you guys say has sence... Thanks VERY much! any other ideas welcome! cheers from Patagonia, Raine
Hi once more! my father could use polish of course, french and german!, he could deal with regional dialects, and a little Iddish. By the end of his life, also English and Spanish.
All you guys say has sence... Thanks VERY much! any other ideas welcome! cheers from Patagonia, Raine
Pols in Scotland
Hi! does these papers help? buy they are both from before he was granted that misterious "leave".
Cheers from Patagonia, Raine
Cheers from Patagonia, Raine
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Quite interesting document Raine, thanks for sharing.
I guess you couldn`t ask your father more deeply about his life in UK, but from the paper you`ve posted he was obviously training drivers in 7th Polish Riflemen Brigade. How does this cope with the fact he was a journalist before joining army, I have no clue.
Are there any more hints you could provide us? I guess both medals were issued to him after the war and were more or less common (perhaps someone with better knowledge will elaborate on it more).
Best regards
I guess you couldn`t ask your father more deeply about his life in UK, but from the paper you`ve posted he was obviously training drivers in 7th Polish Riflemen Brigade. How does this cope with the fact he was a journalist before joining army, I have no clue.
Are there any more hints you could provide us? I guess both medals were issued to him after the war and were more or less common (perhaps someone with better knowledge will elaborate on it more).
Best regards
pols in Scotland
Hi! Sorry, my father died 1978. I have more rare papers of his, here is one more. I have no clue either, which is why I am hoping some one in this forum can have some idea. For example: he had an international driving license that he got in Budapest during the run trough that country in 1939. I cant figure why he would do this in such a place and such a moment!
Cheers from Patagonia, Raine
Cheers from Patagonia, Raine