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Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by von thoma » 28 Sep 2022 22:25

I am interested in these French police forces ( gardes mobiles casqués ), where can I find information about its history.
( It doesn't matter in French language )

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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 29 Sep 2022 02:24

I guess you are talking about Gendarmerie mobile.
The Gardes mobiles were military units during 1870-1's war. They were dissolved just after.

The Gendarmes mobiles were created after WWI and were substituted by the famous CRS created by Vichy during WWII.
Their main purpose was to break the demonstrations (communist mainly) and hit the protesters.

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Re: Garde Républicaine Mobile

Post by Loïc » 29 Sep 2022 02:40

They are not policemen (civilian force) but Gendarmes (military) of the Garde Républicaine Mobile (GRM) created in 1921
as Gendarmerie Mobile renamed Garde Républicaine Mobile in 1926-1940, Garde 1940-1944, again Republican Guard until 1954 and still exists today as Gendarmerie Mobile its initial denomination,
This branch of the Gendarmerie was organised in Légions to Pelotons Mobiles (PM) across the territory and in garrison in the barracks of the majors towns urban centers for Public Order anti-riot tasks while the main branch of the Departemental Gendarmerie is scattered in small brigades/posts mainly in rural areas

in september 1939 the GRM gathered 21 000 gendarmes in 14 Légions divided in - 54 Groups - 167 companies - 492 Pelotons (Troops)
of which 285 foot troops, 156 horse troops and 51 motorcyclists troops
it existed also an autonomous Special Group with 2 tank companies and one machine-gun company


indeed often named just "Mobile Guards" like the Mobile National Guard of 1848-1850 and 1868-1871 but such forces had nothing to do with Gendarmerie
The CRS (civilian police) came from the Police's Groupes Mobiles de Réserve the GMR not to be mixed with GRM belonging to the Gendarmerie

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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by von thoma » 08 Oct 2022 00:09

Thanks to both of you

I found a good page of the subjet ; http://polices.mobiles.free.fr/gmr/bour ... nnais.html


Are these Gendarmerie uniforms ?
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Re: La Garde

Post by Loïc » 11 Oct 2022 20:39

yes, of the Guard, former Mobile Republican Guard until 1941, the grenade, military symbol betrays the military status and branch/arm of the Gendarmes, both Departemental and Mobile
in 1940 la GRM was reduced to 6 000, separated from the Gendarmerie, in order to be kept and counted among the allowed 100 000 military personnel of the French metropolitan Army of Armistice, excluding Gendarmerie and further AAA forces
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the link is off topic as it concerns les GMR and not la GRM of this thread, archi-frequent confusion until most serious historians

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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 11 Oct 2022 21:04

From the left to the right :

- the guy wearing a képi on the left is of course a gendarme
- the three guys in the middle, i dont recognize their uniforms... maybe not french ?
- the guy on the right is wearing a gendarme mobile helmet, so i guess he is one gendarme mobile
- the helmet in the middle is german helmet of course

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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by Loïc » 11 Oct 2022 21:12

French and gendarmes Gardes former Mobile Republican Guard but wearing the bonnet de police calot and not the traditionnal képi

and looking more precisely there is an intruder the man in field uniform is a civilian policeman of GMR Groupes Mobiles de Reserve
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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 11 Oct 2022 21:28

How could they wear police calot since Gendarmes were not the police ?

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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by Loïc » 11 Oct 2022 21:36

David un bonnet "de police" despite its name has nothing to do with the police-security force but is something belonging fully to the military terminology and the military uniform of the Army since the 18th century, the name came from the punished soldiers wearing it in the "salle de police" within the barracks, but actually they could wear it also outside in many others cases situations in their military daily life other than wearing the great uniform or the field combat uniform and at some periods even in such occasions, the calot or bonnet de police is operating a great come back among the units in today French Army, for my taste the beret is better

bonnet de police model 1921 Gendarmerie
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model 1921 Republican Guard of Paris
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end of 18th century
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at the time of Indochina & Algerian Wars
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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 12 Oct 2022 12:24

Alright for their headgear, but what about the color of their uniform ? they are quite darker... not looking like a typical gendarmes uniform (more likely beige).

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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by Loïc » 12 Oct 2022 13:24

Beige?...living in rural France - 'gendarmic' zone par excellence - so the traditionnal colour of the Gendarmes is the usual dark blue and black with the black stripes on their blue pantalons, the way to distinguish departemental and mobile is the white-silver/yellow-gold distinctive of the buttons and others elements

I remember when I was child they can wear also a summer uniform in a beige shade popularized by Louis de Funés's brigade of Saint Tropez comic movie but it was only shortly in summer and it has ceased to be wear a long time ago I think, except maybe Overseas
thinking about that I wonder if they didn't cease to be wear in order to not be not associated with such very popular serie of comic movies for matters of images of the Gendarmerie, respect and credibility of these military personnel of law enforcement...

however the traditionnal colour has always been the black and dark blue, they are not often seen with their calots/bonnets de police in past pictures
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Re: Les Gardes Mobiles

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 23 Jan 2023 22:00

You are right. The gendarme de St Tropez and Luis de Funes just misled me :lol:

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