French - Request for Identification

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French - Request for Identification

Post by ttvon » 16 Nov 2007 08:52

Who is the Gerenal with Patton?
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Post by Duchamp » 16 Nov 2007 12:56

I think the admiral in the last picture is François Darlan

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Post by Steen Ammentorp » 17 Nov 2007 11:39

Duchamp wrote:I think the admiral in the last picture is François Darlan


I am not sure that it is Darlan. First of all I think that we should be able to see clearly the five stars on his cap as Admiral. Secondly I can't find any references to Patton ever having meet with Darlan.

I think that instead it might be Vice-Admiral (four stars) Frix Michelier, whom Patton meet several times in Casablanca. I can't find a picture of him though.

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Benden » 12 Jul 2009 13:33

Not sure if this can help to confirm the above picture is really admiral Michelier:

http://madeleine.rouget.free.fr/pages/pattonmiche.html

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Matteus » 16 Jul 2009 21:36

Hello,

i need IDs of these french officers with Montgomery, please.


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source: http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? ... c655b4c788

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Prosper Vandenbroucke » 16 Jul 2009 22:13

I think, this picture was token during a visit in France AFTER WWII, maybe during a D-Day Landings anniversary in the late fifties or early sixties.
Not easy to identify those french officers
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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Duchamp » 17 Jul 2009 17:33

I think we can see General of Airforce Martial Valin between Monty and the general at right, here a picture for comparision:

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source:www.ordredelaliberation.fr

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Matteus » 17 Jul 2009 19:21

Hello Prosper and Duchamp,

i think prosper is right of course with his assumptions about the time frame. i think its post 1950 at a SHAPE meeting. if you like to have a look, antother picture of this series:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l? ... 03931f6702

about Martial Valin: yes indeed there are a lot of similarities with the B&W picture!

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Prosper Vandenbroucke » 17 Jul 2009 20:58

Yes I guess that the picture was token while Montgomery was visiting the Shape location at Roquancourt (France).
It must be between 1951 and 1967, because the SHAPE moved at that date (1967) to his actual location at Casteau near the town of MONS in Belgium.
I Found the same picture into the Google search engine and you can see that it belongs to Life Magazine.(below at the right: LI........)
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But I still don't know who are the French officers.
I think that the identification of Martial Valin is right.
Sorry for my poor english, but I try to do my best. It's my schoolenglish and it's far away
Kindly regards from Belgium
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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Matteus » 18 Jul 2009 16:33

Hello Prosper,

i think you are right with the location, of course.

about the timeframe, Monty resigned in 1958, so it shouldbe between 51 and 58.
Valin was accepted, leaves the Général de corps d'armée on the far left and the Général d'armée on the right side.
Now France didnt have hundreds of these people, i guess?

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Duchamp » 19 Jul 2009 15:47

I have something that could help us!
I noticed that the general at left have something in his jacket, it seems to be a parachute emblem, so I've been looking for some info and look at the picture I've attached.

More info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Parachute_Brigade and http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/9e_régimen ... achutistes
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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Matteus » 19 Jul 2009 16:01

intersting.

unfortunately i think this pictures have been taken after 1958.

http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Field-Mar ... 82204_.htm

(well using a poster shop as a reference is kind of weird, but that was the only thing i could find so far).

the only paratrooper general i could find quickly (besides Massu) is Sauvagnac

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2o ... -ngfEOGPug
Next the French Army regrouped all its Army Airborne regiments into two parachute divisions in 1956. The 10th parachute division (10e Division Parachutiste, 10e DP) came under the command of General Jacques Massu and General Henri Sauvagnac took over the 25th Parachute Division (25e Division Parachutiste, 25e DP). Again the Commandos de l'Air were kept under command of the Air Force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratrooper

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Prosper Vandenbroucke » 19 Jul 2009 19:38

Hello Matteus,
I think your right with Sauvagnac.
Regards and congratulations
Prosper :wink:

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Matteus » 19 Jul 2009 23:20

comparing him again, yes i think it could be Sauvagnac!

thanks for the congratz, propser, but duchamp deserves more than half of it, i think!

ok leaves the other person:

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(btw, i agree with Steen and Benden that the person in the first post is Michelier)

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Re: French - Request for Identification

Post by Duchamp » 20 Jul 2009 00:08

I thought in Sauvagnac but i think there is a problem with him, acording to wikipedia he was a Général de division (3 stars) and we are looking for a Général de corps d'armée (4 stars)....maybe wikipedia is wrong but...

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