Id french AA guns

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Oct 2010 12:13

Thank you very much for your images, Karlik. :D

An image is more useful than a thousand words. :lol:

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Oct 2010 16:50

Hi all,

Two images from Ebay:

Image 1: I think 75mm Mle 1933 guns without barrels
Image 2: I think 75mm Mle 1917/34 guns

On the other hand, I think it would have been more logical to name the 75mm Mle1930 gun as 75mm Mle 1917-30, as the Mle 1930 was a derivative of Mle 1917. :roll:

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 31 Oct 2010 22:47

Hi Sturm78,

I agree with your ID for the 2 guns.

From what I understand,the Mle 17/34 was actually created after the Mle 1930. Thus, it is actually the Mle 17/34 which could have been called Mle 1934! But since the only change from the Mle 17 was the replacement of the Mle 1897 gun barrel by the Mle 1928 barrel without modifiyng the carriage, it was less modern than the Mle 1930 (with the Mle 1928 barrel), Mle 1932 and Mle 1933. Therefore, it would make sense to me to stick with Mle 17/34 to stress the oldest design of the carriage. :idea:

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Nov 2010 21:12

Hi Emmanuel

I think both the model Mle1930 and the Mle1917-34 were both derived from the original Mle1917:
Mle 1930 : same carriage but with Mle1928 barrel
Mle1917-34: same carriage, barrel Mle1928 but with a more modern AA fire control system.

I think the carriage was the same in the three models. So I see more logic the denomination Mle 1917-30.

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 01 Nov 2010 23:19

Sturm78,

There could be somehow a parallel in the Mle 17/34 designation with the modernization of the "autocanon" Mle 1913 into the Mle 13/34 i.e. installation of a more modern AA fire control system as part of the 1935 rearmament program. The Mle 1928 barrel was to powerful to be installed on the De Dion Bouton chassis.

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Nov 2010 11:08

Hi all,

An image from Ebay: I think 75mm Mle 1933

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 13 Nov 2010 00:15

I agree with you Sturm78. Definitely a 75 mm Mle 1933.

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Nov 2010 13:29

Hi all,

A nice image of a captured 75mm Mle 1933 french AA gun (I think):

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 27 Nov 2010 16:35

Mle 33 indeed. Note the "C" for Caesar" added by the Germans: 3rd gun of their battery.

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Nov 2010 11:57

Hi all,

Can somebody identfy this french AA gun??

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 30 Nov 2010 14:14

Hi Sturm78,

This is a "90 mm CCA Mle 26-30 sur affût Mle 31" used by the French navy.

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Dec 2010 12:38

Thank you, Emmanuel. :D

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 29 Dec 2010 17:12

I am trying to identify these French naval AA guns. They look like 75 mm CA Mle 22, 24 or 27 but I'm not sure. And I don't know the vessel on which these turrets are mounted. US Press photo - 1939

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jan 2011 12:15

Hi all

75mm Mle 1913-34 AA gun. According to photocaption the image was taken in Poland, 1939. :?

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 09 Jan 2011 17:00

Hi Stum78,

It's possible as Poland also used this self-propelled AA gun. But it's hard to confirm the country here just by looking at the architecture of the houses. :?

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