Id french AA guns

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by chiangshan » 14 Apr 2011 04:00

Can someone identify if this is French AA or not, thank you.

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Post by AVV » 14 Apr 2011 07:20

Hello!
chiangshan wrote:Can someone identify if this is French AA or not, thank you.
IMHO, it looks like aviation cannon dismantled from plane for ground use.

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Post by karlik » 14 Apr 2011 12:24

AVV wrote:Hello!
chiangshan wrote:Can someone identify if this is French AA or not, thank you.
IMHO, it looks like aviation cannon dismantled from plane for ground use.

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Not Hispano-Suisa HS 404?

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Post by AVV » 14 Apr 2011 13:09

karlik wrote:Not Hispano-Suisa HS 404?
I think that the gun under question does not look like HS 404
http://nueveg.files.wordpress.com/2011/ ... =400&h=114
I would say this could be ShVAK
http://airbase.ru/alpha/rus/sh/shvak/20 ... /shvak.jpg

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Apr 2011 15:43

Hi all,

Another image of a 75mm Mle1917-34 gun:

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Apr 2011 09:31

Hi all,

75mm Mle 32 french or 75mm Mle 1936 belgian AA guns ?? :?

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 18 May 2011 10:01

Nobody for my last images?? :(

Here, a new image for Id.

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Post by Manuferey » 18 May 2011 14:48

Sturm78 wrote:Nobody for my last images?? :(
Sturm78,

The wheels on the two previous pictures would indicate the Belgian version (75 mm ABS/FRC mle 36).

Regarding your latest picture, I think it shows the rear of a 75 mm CA Mle 13/34 "autocanon". Also note the French helmet different than the "Adrian" type of the infantry for example.

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Post by Sturm78 » 18 May 2011 16:16

Thank you very much, Emmanuel.

So the wheels are the way to differentiate between 75mm Mle 32 french and 75mm Mle 1936 belgian AA guns.

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Post by Manuferey » 19 May 2011 13:53

Sturm78 wrote:Thank you very much, Emmanuel.

So the wheels are the way to differentiate between 75mm Mle 32 french and 75mm Mle 1936 belgian AA guns.

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This is my assumption. But I haven't found any confirmation from French or Belgium official documents yet. I have seen a picture of a gun with the « French » tires marked « Troyes – Frankreich – Juli 1940 » in the back which would then define the French type.

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Post by Sturm78 » 25 May 2011 11:05

Hi all,

Another image from Ebay: A 75mm Mle 1932 french AA gun

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Sep 2011 11:44

Hi all,

Does somebody have any information about this gun?

I think 75mm Schneider-Creusot Mle1938 AA gun.
It seems that this gun was not adopted by French Army. Why? :?
Export only: Switzerland and perhaps Holland

See also: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 6&start=15 and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ilit=swiss

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Manuferey » 16 Sep 2011 22:15

The gun was manufactured under license in Switzerland by K +W ("Constructions fédérales" i.e. a government-owned company) and designated 7,5 cm Flab Kanone 38 L 49 by the Swiss Army.

For technical information, you can check at:
www.fortiff.be under "Association du Fort de Litroz"> Armes suisses > DCA

I have seen two different types of muzzle brakes on this gun in service in the Swiss Army.

A possible reason why the 75 mm Mle 38 Schneider was not accepted by the French Army is that there were already several types of AA guns in service and introduced only a few years earlier (1930, 1932, 1934 …) including through modernization programs. It was probably easier and faster to increase production of the slightly older AA guns than introducing a new type of gun which would have also created additional logistical and training headaches in 1939 et 1940. But that’s my theory.

Also, historically, Schneider had to compete with the French government-owned “ateliers” (e.g. Ateliers de Puteaux/APX, Ateliers de Bourges, ...) for some categories of guns, so there could have been some political reasons as well in the French decision not to procure the Mle 38.

We can draw a parallel with the 47 mm Mle 1936 Schneider AT gun sold only to Rumania and not accepted by the French Army which selected the 47 mm Mle 1937 despite its lengthy development process.

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Sep 2011 17:07

Thank you for your reply, Emmanuel.

Greetings Sturm78

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Re: Id french AA guns

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Nov 2011 16:31

Hi all,

A nice image of a 105mm CA Mle 1917 or Mle 1917/34 PF french AA gun:

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