Destroyed division definition in Gelb 1940

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Destroyed division definition in Gelb 1940

Post by Kelvin » 30 Aug 2018 03:35

Many books generally saying Allied lost 61 divisions ( 30 French, 22 Belgian and 9 Dutch), not including 9 English divisions. But problem is three French DLM, albeit lost all its motor vehicles and AFV, but evacuated most of manpower, it is same as nine divisions of BEF, as they lost all their weapon, AFV and motor vehicles but evacuated most of manpower though BEF 2 and 48th lost some men in battle. But why people put 3 DLM as destroyed divisions as they were still on OOB in Fall Rot. IF BEF also lost all their weapon and AFV, motor, why they were not considered destroyed, is it unfair to French army? Thank

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Re: Destroyed division definition in Gelb 1940

Post by alain adam » 17 Oct 2018 21:08

Simply ...
The DLM's troops was from the active and very effectiveness , and after evacuation from Dunkirk , take a little time in england , they embark to go to normandy or britain , to join consolidation centers, where new armaments were given .
It's why the division were aggregated or re-created juste before fall rot .
The difference with BEF is : in France we use everything possible to defend our country , and plants are at maximum ( so we had some reserves ) , for british soldiers , they send all modern armament to answer to the french government and lost it all in dunkirk operations . They cannot do more in few days .
In september 40 , the situation of english army was catastrophic , so you can undestand it will horrific in june .

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Re: Destroyed division definition in Gelb 1940

Post by Kelvin » 29 Oct 2018 04:15

Hi, Alain, is it possible to raise an army in Southern France, Masillies and Toulon are biggest cities, they could build some more division so did Corsica. And Algeria had 1 million French population, I think at least raised 150,000 troop , is it possible. Or British carried out another Dunkirk in southern France to evacuate the remnant of French troop in South to Algeria. Given combined power of RN and French Fleet, I am afraid German cannot put too many troop to North Africa. French still had 10 divisions in North Africa and Syria plus remant of French army in Europe plus some new raise army from Algeria and Marsilles and Toulon, still exert a heavy military pressure over Germany and especially Italy. Possile option ?

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Re: Destroyed division definition in Gelb 1940

Post by Paul_Atreides » 06 Nov 2018 07:04

Main problem is to arm these new divisions.
There is no waste, there are reserves (Slogan of German Army in World Wars)

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