German-sympathizer Parisian men and women strike and lash out at the Allied POWs (1944)

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German-sympathizer Parisian men and women strike and lash out at the Allied POWs (1944)

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Post by wm » 25 Nov 2018, 15:01

What is the story behind this?
Allied prisoners of war (POWs) in Paris during World War 2.
Columns of prisoners marched by German guards through the streets of Paris. German guards and soldiers. Civilians look on. German officers lead the prisoners. Prisoners cross buildings. Some German-sympathizer Parisian men and women strike and lash out at the Allied POWs. People click photographs and record films. A line of trucks on the road. Faces of the Allied prisoners. Soldiers walk over tram tracks on the road. Some Parisian men and women shout, jeer at and spit on Allied prisoners. The prisoners massed in a square.
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... occupation

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Post by Loïc » 25 Nov 2018, 17:10

unfortunately as many WWII pictures, a nazi german point of view coming from German Propaganda and in this case it seems from German Propaganda Kompanies
appeared in the Deutsche Wochenschau 726 the 3rd August 1944, so not sure we have true "Parisians" here but some germans under a stage direction, as least concerning the most agressive and demostrative people, too demonstative under the german eye to be honest such scene...


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Post by Prosper Vandenbroucke » 25 Nov 2018, 19:38

I have also a doubt.
There where no tramways anymore in Paris at that time!!!!!

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Post by wm » 25 Nov 2018, 20:23

Really? What happened to them?

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Post by Loïc » 25 Nov 2018, 20:30

diary of a Parisian, Jean Paul Neu

2nd july 1944
ils ont fait passer à travers Paris des prisonniers Américains. Les journaux publient deux photos qui veulent montrer l'hostilité de la foule à leur égard.
En fait on n'aperçoit que deux femmes bien détachées au premier plan vociférant quelque injure et plus loin des hommes qui tendent le bras dans un geste qui n'est pas forcément de haine.
La sœur de G...aurait vu boulevard Saint Michel les prisonniers passer au milieu du silence d'une foule évidemment prudente. Mais de loin les gens leur faisaient des "V" discrets avec la main.


«they (the Germans) passed American prisoners through Paris. The newspapers publish two pictures that want to show the hostility of the crowd towards them.
In fact we only see two women well detached in the foreground shouting some insult and further away from men who reach out in a gesture that is not necessarily hateful.
The sister of G ... would have seen boulevard Saint Michel the prisoners in the middle of the silence of a crowd obviously prudent. But by far people were doing discreet "V" with their hands.»

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Post by Prosper Vandenbroucke » 25 Nov 2018, 21:25

wm wrote:
25 Nov 2018, 20:23
Really? What happened to them?
Hi wm,
Have a look over here:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=58248
Post n°4 I think
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Post by Michael Kenny » 25 Nov 2018, 21:55

The Critical Past footage is not the same as the Deutsche Wochenschau 726 footage. It is the same event but different cameramen.


It starts here at 5m:00s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HgIjw1 ... u.be&t=301
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Post by Michael Kenny » 25 Nov 2018, 23:15

This is the Youtube version of the 'French' footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJXUHQmoMqc

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Post by Loïc » 25 Nov 2018, 23:24

coming not from any Propaganda Kompanie but a famous cameran of that time Gaston Madru according INA website for controlled newsreels
there are rushes of the same scene but from differents perspectives

Gaston Madrun was killed in Leipzig in Germany in april 1945

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Post by Michael Kenny » 26 Nov 2018, 02:45

Some of the scenes are identical so they shared footage:
screenshot-vERTWQDSAXert.jpg

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Post by wm » 27 Nov 2018, 21:37

Prosper Vandenbroucke wrote: Have a look over here:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=58248
Thanks :)
The sad story of Paris trams is even more fascinating than this one. Especially the French steam and pneumatic trams were beyond cool.

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Unknown film clip (probably from France in 1944)

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Post by askropp » 23 Jan 2021, 02:04

Could somebody explain this scenes? Is this Paris? When was the clip taken?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJXUHQmoMqc
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Post by Richard Anderson » 23 Jan 2021, 02:20

Aftermath of Dieppe? The Americans could be Rangers. Otherwise no idea, but it looks to be earlier in the war.
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Post by Loïc » 23 Jan 2021, 03:52

taken early (probably 2th) july 1944 in Paris and "arranged" by the propaganda in some scenes due to the so-called great desmonstrative "spontaneity" of some civilians and even the germans themselves who, given their faces, don't even seem to take seriously what they are doing...

there is already a thread
viewtopic.php?f=112&t=238645

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Post by askropp » 23 Jan 2021, 11:34

Thank you! I thought so.
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