Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

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Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by jerryasher » 14 Mar 2019 04:38

In early October 7th- 17 two French naval vessels were at Canton observing turmoil. They were not involved but observers Can any identify what ships. There were also 2 British and the American Pampanga and another. Likewise French naval vessels were sent to the Yellow Sea as observers to the clash of Wu Pei Fu and Zhang Zuolin. Many thanks In advance.

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Re: Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by GregSingh » 15 Mar 2019 04:43

Perhaps two members of Si-Kiang flotilla: Argus II and Vigilante II ?
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Re: Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by jerryasher » 15 Mar 2019 16:47

Thank you Greg--They are the most likely candidates--just seeking confirmation. The American ships were the Helena and Pampanga--not even willing to hazard a guess on British--(Hong Kong is so close). Greg haven't been able to navigate private message--but I admire your work and tried to ask you to look into Soviet ships working with Borodin to arm and supply Jiang Jiehsi and Guomindang 1924-1927. Ultimately the number and names of ships, cargo and dates is finite. Again admire your work. At some point want to work on Sugarri /Songhua steamships and warships. Have a great day.

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Re: Division Navale d'Extrême-Orient 1924

Post by Loïc » 16 Mar 2019 02:29

at the summer 1924 the Far East Naval Division has
cruisers Jules Ferry and Colmar, sloops avisos Altair and Algol in the Chinese seas
gunboats of the Yang-Tsé Craonne, Doudart de Lagrée, Balny, Lagrandière
gunboats of the Si-Kiang Argus who did his tests the 30th june, and Vigilante in assembly in Hong-Kong

but according to the same Rapport au Conseil du Gouvernement - Gouvernement Général de l'Indochine adds the following sentence

the gunboat Malicieuse from Indochina, between july and december 1924 did hydrographic dredgings near the Tonkinese coast and passed 2 months in Canton and Hong-Kong where turmoils where feared
confirmed by the Annales hydrographiques La Malicieuse can't do the (hydrographic) mission as for political reasons was sent to Canton at the end of september 1924...

several French newspapers dated 4th september 1924 reported from the Ministry of Navy the locations of the french ships in China where the second in Canton with la Malicieuse is the Craonne
Jules Ferry, Colmar, Algol in Changaï
Altaïr in Tien-Tsin

the Craonne and Malicieuse were in Canton already in june 1924 as both teams helped wounded and assisted the europeans in the bombing attack against them targeting the Governor-General of Indochina by a Vietnamese in a banquet at the Hôtel Victoria
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Re: Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by jerryasher » 16 Mar 2019 05:02

Many thanks Loic. In late September the MM Chantilly involved in an arms embargo issue at Hong Kong and Yingkou. Loic is there anything in the French Press. Many thanks, really you made my evening.

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Re: Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by GregSingh » 18 Mar 2019 23:32

From "The news of the day for the Dutch East Indies":

4.Oct.24
The Civil War in China
The French ss. Chantilly has 18 aeroplanes on board, intended for Tsjang Tso Lin.

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Re: Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by GregSingh » 19 Mar 2019 00:43

Re: US ships in Canton

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Re: Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by Loïc » 19 Mar 2019 00:58

This appears in the french newspapers the 19th october 1924

some like L'Humanité briefly reproducing the new, as coming from the British Times and the fact that 18 planes were landed from the Chantilly in Dalny near Port Arthur

others, like below Le Figaro, reproducing a longer clarification from the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the type of the 18 Breguet planes
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Re: Canton and Chingwangtao October 1924

Post by jerryasher » 19 Mar 2019 05:39

Many thanks Greg and Lioc.

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