Help to Id. US artillery

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 19 Jan 2017 20:55

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I would give you a 90 % that this is battery Townsley, Fort Cronkhite, Harbor defenses of San Francisco. From the total lack of camouflage it is post ar prior to 1950. The only other 16 inch battery was Battery Davis and it still retained a distinctive pattern of camouflage paint up to its scrapping. This battery was used by the Coast Artillery School as an instructional/trials battery as late as 1948 and fired the last full caliber 16 inch shots of the US Coast Artillery. Given that the barrel is traversed to the extreme left and the muzzle is uncovered this is probably just prior to its scrapping or prior to maintenance.


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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 23 Apr 2017 12:20

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this naval AA gun ??

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 26 Apr 2017 19:53

Nobody ??

Well, here another (blurry) image from Ebay: Any idea ??

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby ROLAND1369 » 26 Apr 2017 23:11

While the pic is indeed Blurry, it appears to me to ba a 16 inch gun M 1919MII on a barbette carriage M 1919 located on Fort Tilden, Harbor defenses of New York. I was at that location a couple of weeks ago. The battery name was Battery Harris. This was taken prior to !942 when the battery was modified with overhead concrete cover. I would rate this ID a 98 % surety.

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby ROLAND1369 » 26 Apr 2017 23:26

Here is what it looked like 3 weeks ago.
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby LineDoggie » 29 Apr 2017 02:30

Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

Can somebody identify this naval AA gun ??

Image from Ebay
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3"/50 Mark 5 or 6 I believe
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby ROLAND1369 » 29 Apr 2017 22:44

Re 23 Apr 2017, 13:20 I wold call it as a 3 in 50 cal gun MK 10 on a 3 in pedestal mount MK 11.

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 30 Apr 2017 17:41

ROLAND1369 wrote
While the pic is indeed Blurry, it appears to me to ba a 16 inch gun M 1919MII on a barbette carriage M 1919 located on Fort Tilden, Harbor defenses of New York. I was at that location a couple of weeks ago. The battery name was Battery Harris. This was taken prior to !942 when the battery was modified with overhead concrete cover. I would rate this ID a 98 % surety.


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Re 23 Apr 2017, 13:20 I wold call it as a 3 in 50 cal gun MK 10 on a 3 in pedestal mount MK 11.


LineDoggie wrote
3"/50 Mark 5 or 6 I believe


Thank you for your anwers

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby ROLAND1369 » 02 May 2017 22:45

One of things you have to remember about US Navy guns and turrets is that there is a Mark Number and Modification number for both the gun tube and the mount/turret. This would read as 3 Inch gun MK 10 Mod 2 on 3 inch mount Mark 11 Mod 8. Thus Line Doggie could be correct on MK 5 or 6 for the tube but the Mark 5 Mount was a low angle 3 inch while this is definitely a dual purpose mount. Source "US Navy Ordnance Pamphlet 1112, Gun Mount and Turret Catalog, 1945.
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 10 Sep 2017 13:29

Hi all,

Does anyone know which are the visual differences between the model 75mm M1897A2 and the M1897A4 guns? :?

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby ROLAND1369 » 10 Sep 2017 16:23

Once again you have entered ito the nightmare of American military equipment nomenclature, although other military follow a similar complicated system. There is a nomenclature for the gun, the carriage, the recoil system, the sights mount, etc. In the case of your picture the proper nomenclature is 75 mm gun M 1897a2 or a4 on a carriage M2a1 or a2. The carriages from m1897 m2 -m4 were simple conversions which added rubber tires and brakes for motorized towing but retained the single trail of the original m1897. The M2 series replaced the entire carriage with one which had split trails, a higher elevation. On an M2 a1 or a2 there was a central firing jack which raised the carriage of the wheels for firing. The carriage M2a3 replace these with a rotating arc on each wheel which performed the same service. Thus by the beginning of WW II very little outside of the tube was left of the original French M1897. The enclosed write up covers these modifications and was taken from "Standard Ordnance items Catalogue, 1944. The major problem is that most authors and those which caption pictures use one or the other and the same gun or picture may be titled 75 mm m1897m4 or 75 mm gun M2a2
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 13 Sep 2017 17:35

Hi ROLAND1369,

My question was about the visual differences between M1897A2 and M1897A4 gun barrels. According to your attachments there were not any differencies between both models...but according to the book "British and American Artillery of WW2" of Ian V. Hogg
"M1897A2 no muzzle hoops or jacket. Breech rotated 156º
M1897A3 as M1897A2 but slight modification to suit carriage M1897M1A2
M1897A4 rollers and muzzle removed and replaced by steel rails and bronze strips . 156º breech block"

Then, is possible differenciate in photos both models of gun barrels ?? :?

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 19 Sep 2017 19:53

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this gun ?
According to photocaption, Philippines

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