Help to Id. US artillery

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Dec 2020 23:01

Hi all,

Can anyone locate where exactly of France this photo was taken?

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by LineDoggie » 19 Dec 2020 01:12

Sturm78 wrote:
18 Dec 2020 23:01
Hi all,

Can anyone locate where exactly of France this photo was taken?

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Trocadero Gardens, Paris

the Bofors is almost facing the Eiffel Tower across the street

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jardins_du_Trocad%C3%A9ro
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Dec 2020 11:30

Thanks for your help, LineDoggie ... :wink:

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Jan 2021 15:42

Hi all,

Can somebody help me to identify this coastal gun ? Perhaps an Armstrong M1898 L40.... :?
According to photo caption Kiska island, Aleutian Islands...

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by LineDoggie » 12 Jan 2021 21:46

Sturm78 wrote:
12 Jan 2021 15:42
Hi all,

Can somebody help me to identify this coastal gun ? Perhaps an Armstrong M1898 L40.... :?
According to photo caption Kiska island, Aleutian Islands...

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NOT a US gun. Kiska was not a defended coastal site before the invasion.

Japanese installed British made 6" gun- 6"/50 (15.2 cm) BL Marks IX or X
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Richard Anderson » 12 Jan 2021 23:01

LineDoggie wrote:
12 Jan 2021 21:46
NOT a US gun. Kiska was not a defended coastal site before the invasion.

Japanese installed British made 6" gun- 6"/50 (15.2 cm) BL Marks IX or X
6"/45 Mark VII I believe.
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Jan 2021 23:18

LineDoggie wrote
NOT a US gun. Kiska was not a defended coastal site before the invasion.

Japanese installed British made 6" gun- 6"/50 (15.2 cm) BL Marks IX or X
Hi LineDoggie. according to this link http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-50_mk5.php, could be the British-built Armstrong Mk.V naval guns of New Orleans and Albany protected cruisers, bought by US Navy to England in 1898. I have seen also the designation M1898 for these guns...

According to my information these guns were installed in Fort Williams, Portland (Maine) and probably in other coastal locations (in Philippines, according to the link) when the guns were replaced in these cruisers by US-built guns.
So It Is possible that the guns of Kiska island were British-built US guns captured by the Japanese in 1942 in the Philppines .... :idea:

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Richard Anderson » 13 Jan 2021 00:06

Sturm78 wrote:
12 Jan 2021 23:18
Hi LineDoggie. according to this link http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-50_mk5.php, could be the British-built Armstrong Mk.V naval guns of New Orleans and Albany protected cruisers, bought by US Navy to England in 1898. I have seen also the designation M1898 for these guns...

According to my information these guns were installed in Fort Williams, Portland (Maine) and probably in other coastal locations (in Philippines, according to the link) when the guns were replaced in these cruisers by US-built guns.
So It Is possible that the guns of Kiska island were British-built US guns captured by the Japanese in 1942 in the Philppines .... :idea:

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Not the Mark V and not American. The gun house is pretty distinctive and resembles that of the British Mark VII. All of the Philippines 6" guns are accounted for. However, two at least were British made and came from Fuji and possibly Mikasa. https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/silent ... -kiska.htm So actually they were 6"/40 41st Year-type guns made by Eslwick.
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 13 Jan 2021 02:04

I concur with Line Doggie that these are 6 inch Japanese CD guns, not only because Kiska was not a US defended port, but also the US CD Armstrong guns were declared obsolete, withdrawn from service, and scrapped, with few exceptions, during the early 1920s. The Japanese emplaced 6 of these guns in two batteries, 3 on North Head, Kiska, and 3 on Little Kiska. However these guns were 6 inch 40 not 50 caliber which would make them Armstrong export model Z. While far from a final ID point, note the presence on both the original photo and the attached files of the lifting eye on the lower edge of the shield. This would make them the equivalent of RN Mark Is. According to the serial numbers of the remaining guns the National Park Service has determined that they came from the old battleships IJN Fuji and Mikasa. Of the original 6 guns 2 were removed from the island and shipped back to the US for Ordnance evaluation, and the remainder remain in place.[attachment=1]PhotoInterpretersGuide185.jpeg[/attachment]
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 13 Jan 2021 15:57

Additionally the 6 inch Armstrong guns were never officially called model 1898 but were officially named merely "6 Inch Rapid Fire Gun, Armstrong on Barbette Carriage, Armstrong." See attached file.
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by LineDoggie » 13 Jan 2021 20:34

Sturm78 wrote:
12 Jan 2021 23:18
LineDoggie wrote
NOT a US gun. Kiska was not a defended coastal site before the invasion.

Japanese installed British made 6" gun- 6"/50 (15.2 cm) BL Marks IX or X
Hi LineDoggie. according to this link http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-50_mk5.php, could be the British-built Armstrong Mk.V naval guns of New Orleans and Albany protected cruisers, bought by US Navy to England in 1898. I have seen also the designation M1898 for these guns...

According to my information these guns were installed in Fort Williams, Portland (Maine) and probably in other coastal locations (in Philippines, according to the link) when the guns were replaced in these cruisers by US-built guns.
So It Is possible that the guns of Kiska island were British-built US guns captured by the Japanese in 1942 in the Philppines .... :idea:

Regards
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AGAIN Kiska was not a fortified US possession prior to the Japanese invasion. There was no US Army Coastal Artillery batteries at Kiska. There was a US Navy Weather detachment with small arms only. The US guns are accounted for so NOT transported to Kiska and emplaced and surely didnt come from Maine as the IJA/IJN never got that far

http://fortwiki.com/Coastal_Battery_Gun_List
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Jan 2021 20:44

Hi LineDoggie and ROLAND1369

Little more remains to be added to my question. Thank you very much for your responses.... :wink:

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Feb 2021 15:21

Hi all,

Can someone identify this artillery piece ?
I think an 8in (203mm) M1 gun but I am not sure. The 240mm M1 howitzer is very similar...

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 06 Feb 2021 16:06

Due to the step on the barrel near the carriage I would concur that this is the 8 inch M1.

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Feb 2021 20:20

Thanks, ROLAND1369 ... :wink:

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