Help to Id. US artillery

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Jun 2021 22:21

Hi all,

I found thus image on Ebay. Itseems a US 155mm M1917/1918 howitzer with small pneumatic tires wheels...A prototype ??

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by LineDoggie » 04 Jun 2021 00:35

Sturm78 wrote:
03 Jun 2021 22:21
Hi all,

I found thus image on Ebay. Itseems a US 155mm M1917/1918 howitzer with small pneumatic tires wheels...A prototype ??

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M1918A3 carriage (High speed carriage)
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Jun 2021 10:36

LineDoggie wrote
M1918A3 carriage (High speed carriage)
Hi LineDoggie ,

Ummmmhhhh....But then, Which is the carriage used in the howitzer of this image ?
According to my information, the M1918A1 , M1918A3 and M1917 A3 Carriages were all high speed carriages with pneumatic wheels and other changes...

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Nov 2021 23:51

Hi all,

Any idea about this coastal gun ?

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 28 Nov 2021 03:25

This is the unique 16 inch gun M1895 on Carriage Disappearing LF M1912. This pic was taken at the Aberdeen Proving Ground Range. The gun was later Mounted at Fort Grant, Harbor Defenses of Colon, in Panama.

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 28 Nov 2021 04:15

Correction to my previous message. From the lay of the land it is more likely the picture was taken at Sandy Hook Proving ground.

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Nov 2021 10:24

ROLAND1369 wrote
This is the unique 16 inch gun M1895 on Carriage Disappearing LF M1912. This pic was taken at the Aberdeen Proving Ground Range. The gun was later Mounted at Fort Grant, Harbor Defenses of Colon, in Panama.
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Correction to my previous message. From the lay of the land it is more likely the picture was taken at Sandy Hook Proving ground.
Thanks for your answers, ROLAND1369. According to Ian Hogg, the gun was completed on 1902 and then sento to Sandy Hook Proving Ground, where, was mounted on a proof mounting.
Only in 1917 was built his provided carriage and then shipped to Panama (battery Newton of Fort Grant) ....Is this correct ?
If this is correct the image can not be taken at Sandy Hook Proving Ground....

I have never seen any image of this gun/battery to can compare...Only a gun was manufactured

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 28 Nov 2021 18:28

Correct it was mounted in Bty Newton which was on Perico Island and was part of Fort Grant. The picture was definately taken at the proving ground. It was the practice to erect the gun and mounts at the proving grounds to fire proof rounds to test the system prior to shipment and emplacement. The same was done for the Fort Drums Turrets prior to shipment to the Phillipines. It makes no sense to ship a weapons system and emplace them in a foreign or US location and find they are defective, then have to send them back to the arsenal for repair. As you can tell by the year of adoption 1912 the carriage as completed prior to the emplacement or even the decision where to emplace the system. The gun even longer remained at the proving ground. I suspect due to working out the bugs in the mount. The emplacement was not commenced until 1915, and was not turned over to the Artillery as completed until 1917. The weapon was never considered a success and was unmanned from 1929. It was ordered scrapped in 1943. Thus I stand that the picture was taken at the proving ground. The enclosed Pic shows the Battery Newton emplacement and does not resemble the original photo. The emplacement is still visible on overhead imagery and is currently modified with a Radar Installation.
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Nov 2021 21:03

Thank you very much for your additional information, ROLAND1369

Then, my image had be taken in some moment between 1912 and 1916....

On the other hand, and abusing to your expertise, I need help to identify the exact model of this 6in coastal disappearing gun ...

Image fron Watertown Arsenal archive
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 30 Nov 2021 17:00

It is no imposition at anytime. Although the photo is poor in relation to the gun, it is a gun M 1908 on a Carriage Disappearing LF M1908MII. There were only 14 produced and they mounted either the 105 or 1908 guns and, with the exception of 4 mounted in the defenses of Puget Sound, were mounted outside the Continental US in the Phillipines, Panama, and Hawaii.

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 30 Nov 2021 17:31

It is no imposition at any time. While the picture is poor in relation to the gun enough is visible to identify it as a 6 inch gun M1908 on Carriage Disappearing M1905MII. there were only 14 produced and, and with the exception of 4 mounted in the Harbor Defenses of Puget Sound, they were all mounted outside the Continental US in Panama, the Phillipines, and Hawaii. Enclosed is one of the Us mounted ones.
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Richard Anderson » 30 Nov 2021 21:12

Is that Worden or Casey?
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 01 Dec 2021 15:52

Neither. It was Bty Harrison on Ft Whitman located further north at Goat Island. It covered the back door at Deception Pass. It consisted of a Battery of 4-6 inch guns which covered a minefield serviced by a mine casemate on the island. It is listed as abandoned by 1929 with the "armament and 25 KW generator to be removed with local resources". It does not appear in the 1940 guns in service list.

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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by Richard Anderson » 01 Dec 2021 17:47

ROLAND1369 wrote:
01 Dec 2021 15:52
Neither. It was Bty Harrison on Ft Whitman located further north at Goat Island. It covered the back door at Deception Pass. It consisted of a Battery of 4-6 inch guns which covered a minefield serviced by a mine casemate on the island. It is listed as abandoned by 1929 with the "armament and 25 KW generator to be removed with local resources". It does not appear in the 1940 guns in service list.
Interesting. I've been to La Conner a couple of times and seen Goat Island, but never knew there was anything there. Thanks!
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Re: Help to Id. US artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 02 Dec 2021 03:36

No problem. Enclosed is a map of the fort showing the location of the battery and other elements of the Fort should you desire to make a trip.
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