FDR died on 12 April 1945

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FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by South » 12 Apr 2019 14:15

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... 45-1264197


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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by OpanaPointer » 12 Apr 2019 14:43

Hitler's term in office was just a few months longer than FDR's, 30 January 1933 to April 30, 1945. Roosevelt, March 4, 1933 – April 12, 1945. The 20th Amendment changed the presidential inaugural to January 20 in 1933. This made "lame duck" sessions less lame.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by rcocean » 12 Apr 2019 21:28

Talking about "shock and grief" over his death is a little overblown. FDR ran for re-election in November 1944, in the middle of America's great offensives in Europe and the Pacific, and 45% of the USA voted AGAINST Him. And one of FDR's flaws is that he never respected anyone who opposed him, and he shut almost all Republicans out of almost important Government posts. Go read "New Dealers War" by Thomas Fleming.

And FDR had been dying for over a year, and never should have run for re-election. Since April 1,1945 he'd been holed up in Warm springs, signing off documents, playing cards, and resting. He was working about 3-4 hours a day, which is all he was physically able to. As for Lucy Mercer, his own Daughter Anna, thought it was a good thing for FDR to see Lucy. I don't see why it shouldn't be mentioned. Its not like FDR was watching "shark week" with a porn star. :lol:

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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by OpanaPointer » 12 Apr 2019 21:53

That's one view. "New Dealer's War" certainly gives the tone of the tome.

Do you remember why Stimson and Knox were read out of the Republican party?

As for the "45%", the remarkable thing isn't that so many voted against him, but that free elections were held during a war. A Republican president did that in 1864.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by South » 12 Apr 2019 23:03

Good afternoon Rcocean,

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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by Gorque » 13 Apr 2019 02:15

Considering what Eleanor was like, I think I too would have an affair with Lucy Mercer; two cousins; and Elizabeth Shoumatoff, who was painting his portrait. His dog, Fala; No,nyet, nein, nein, nein!!!

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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by OpanaPointer » 13 Apr 2019 15:03

Not close cousins, Eleanor was more closely related to Theodore.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by rcocean » 13 Apr 2019 23:22

That's one view. "New Dealer's War" certainly gives the tone of the tome. Do you remember why Stimson and Knox were read out of the Republican party?
I don't think either man was read out of the Republican party. After all, Wilkie, a war-hawk, was the titular head of the Republican party until he lost in Wisconsin Primary in April 1944. It needs to be remembered that both men were extremely old - for the time - during WW2 - and neither was much of a Republican. Stimson was 72 in 1940, and Knox was 66. Both men had served in France in 1918, and both men were "Bull Moose" Progressives who supported Teddy Roosevelt 3rd party in 1912. Knox was also a great friend of Harold Ickes, which tells you what kind of Republican he was.

But Knox was really a less important figure (FDR didn't even give him access to his Top-secret 'Map Room), so I'll write about Stimson. This guy was less a Republican, than a non-partisan member of the East Coast Establishment. He was Sec of State under Hoover, but refused to attack FDR in the 1932 campaign. He thought it was beneath his dignity. Then he retired from politics. In 1938, he was 100% in favor of FDR's foreign policy. In fact, he thought FDR was too cautious. Stimson wanted full aid to Britain after June 1940, and wanted FDR to ask for a declaration of war in May 1941. As a side note: Stimson's life-long friend and assistant during his Secretary of War days in the Taft Administration was Felix Frankfurter.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by OpanaPointer » 13 Apr 2019 23:38

You have some interesting gaps.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by genstab » 13 May 2019 00:18

Whatever, but our grandparents, some parents and uncles, etc. were still part of the Greatest Generation. It was a great time in our history. I sorta wish I was born i the 1920s.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by OpanaPointer » 13 May 2019 00:41

rcocean wrote:
13 Apr 2019 23:22
I don't think either man was read out of the Republican party.
They were.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by Futurist » 22 Nov 2019 23:42

OpanaPointer wrote:
12 Apr 2019 21:53
That's one view. "New Dealer's War" certainly gives the tone of the tome.

Do you remember why Stimson and Knox were read out of the Republican party?

As for the "45%", the remarkable thing isn't that so many voted against him, but that free elections were held during a war. A Republican president did that in 1864.
What do you mean by "read out"?

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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by OpanaPointer » 23 Nov 2019 01:03

I mean they were tossed out of the party.
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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by Futurist » 23 Nov 2019 22:38

Thanks!

BTW, why'd you stop posting at Historum? Were you banned there?

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Re: FDR died on 12 April 1945

Post by OpanaPointer » 23 Nov 2019 23:07

Futurist wrote:
23 Nov 2019 22:38
Thanks!

BTW, why'd you stop posting at Historum? Were you banned there?
Not a good fit for me.
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