I am certain you didnt talk to them all either. it's a very poor defense of your claimpaulrward wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021 05:22Hello All ;
Mr. LineDoggie stated
I will handle this one item at a time:Sounds like a Sea story, when M40's/M24's were issue and M14/M21's available. No one
I ever served with or talked to has mentioned using a M1903A1 Sniper rig during DS/DS
1. " When M40's/M24's were issue...."
This was apparently NOT done officially, it was done by a Battalion commander and his staff, and
was done at the last minute prior to deployment. In other words, they didn't have time to get
' standard issue ' - they made some phone calls, some guys looked through warehouses, and they
took what they could find. Which was, apparently, VietNam War stored Winchester M70s with
Unertl and other scopes, and Korean War vintage M1903A1s with Unertls and possibly M84s ( or
even possibly Lyman Alaskans ! )
The fact that the M1903s were still on their original full length stocks indicates that they were
probably Korean War weapons that had been cosmolined and stored. And, as for
To get better optics on them, you would have had to..an ancient Unertl when far better optics were in inventory..
1. have to requisition the optics from Supply,
2. have to get them ordered from the Vendor,
3. have them shipped in, along with the mounts compatible with Winchester M70s and
4. have them fitted by armorers, who may or may not be familiar with this sort of
5. issue them to the relevant men
All of the above requires a Shitload of Paperwork, and a lot of Time, and if one Dimwitted Doggie up
the Line decided to sit on the requisition, because Sniper Rifles weren't on your T.O.& E., you were
screwed. The Battalion Commander was apparently smarter than that, going outside the normal
chain of command to get something done. And, he and his staff, and his men, made do with what
they had. VietNam War and Korean War vintage castoffs that no one would miss if they turned
up missing in next year's inventory......
the Marine who spoke to us mentioned a figure of about two dozen weapons - which means,
one rifle per squad, or three rifles per platoon, or nine rifles per company, or 27 rifles in the
entire battalion - and it was confined to ONE battalion. According to many sources, there were
over 90,000 U.S. Marines deployed in the Gulf in Desert Storm.
I am certain, Mr. LineDoggie. that you have had a chance to speak to every one of them.....
AHH, so your claim is since I didnt personally talk to every single Marine in Desert Storm/Desert Shield it did happen?
Vietnam was as far away from DS/DS as WW1 to WW2 things change, regs change, bringing your privately owned gun to war has changed
Logically (I might as well introduce logic into this thread)
Why would you bring rifles at least 49 years old of questionable accuracy and unsupported by the US Logistical trains to a war?
Lets use the M2HB .50 for an example
It may have been produced by AC Delco in 1942, at SOME point over the decades it has gone back into Direct support (or higher) for gauging and replacing worn out parts, refinishing, etc.
Break a 50 year old M1903 Extractor and there is no S4 going to be able to source new ones from the US government. Same for Scopes and Mounts, etc.
Imagine the higher CoC reaction if they find out some maniac Bn Cdr allowed his joes to bring their own non issue weapons on a ship to a combat zone and use them?
Any Issue .30 US ammo is going to be at least 20 years old and of dubious storage conditions. Your not going to be able to order it from the ASP's as it's not carried so using civilian ammo is the only route. Use anything other than JAG approved ammo and you done for war crimes so Hollow Point or Soft Point is out of the question. Civilian FMJ isnt widely produced in the 80's, 90's.
These privately purchased rifles had been gauged by Armorers or had new barrel's fitted when again? Just because a rifle was accurate when last used on New Georgia in 1943 doesnt mean the muzzle isnt damaged or rifling worn from the corrosive ammo on issue in WW2 and cleaning standards then, and meets acceptability standards in 1991.
How is it not one of these rifles has NEVER been photographed during the war? especially given the Joes penchant for posing with their weapons, any weapons?
How is it not once has the use of these rifles been documented by any reliable* source considering the legions of writers and books, oral histories on the war?
Afterall You would think Some Marine claiming to use a WW1 era M1903 in combat in 1991 would be greeted by gun writers and history authors with glee. Nope we have some random dude at a gun shop/show selling magic beans
And in the 30 YEARS since the war not one image in use, not one man comes forward to VFW mag or Forgotton weapons, or any of the myriad sites and makes this claim
*I've once had a man with a commando dagger tattoo with USMC Airborne written on his forearm tell me he was in the 5th Special Forces group of the 1st Marine division in Iraq in 1989. He was perplexed when I started to laugh like a Hyena as his sea story must have impressed those who didnt know.