Vickers Utility B Tractor

Discussions on all aspects of the The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth during the Inter-War era and Second World War. Hosted by Andy H
YAN
Member
Posts: 1113
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 15:11
Location: ENGLAND

Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by YAN » 08 Apr 2011 10:48

Hi, was the Vickers Utility B Tractor armoured in any way ?, I know the Belgians had three models, Cavalry, Infantry & unarmoured, I know if they had armour it would be light, but dose anyone know its thickness ?.
Regards Yan.

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 00:48

Yan, I've got one small picture in a magazine - on the "unarmoured" type, all there is is the front sloping "glacis" (glorified dashboard :lol: ) then the driver in an open seat, and the engine mounted high behind him. The sides are totally open!

Think of a Caterpillar goping in reverse! :lol: :lol: :lol: One of these MINUS the folding-down sides/seats...

Image

NOT what I'd care to go to war on/in....
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 00:55

Ah! Here we go!

Image
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 00:57

And here's a large version of the magazine pic I have....the original 1936 Vickers Carden-Loyd Utility Tractor! I LOVE the pop-up Bren gun! :D Can't help wondering why he's wearing a steel helmet....when the rest of him could so easily be perforated!!!

Looks really happy, don't he???

Image
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 01:11

However, according to Steve Zaloga...
The towing vehicle finally selected was the Vickers Utility B tractor, a very small commercial design, of which at least three versions were prepared for the Belgian army; the Cavalry model, sometime called Model 1 or Type A; the Infantry model called the Model 2 or Type B; and an unarmoured type.
Here's the B - notice its plain sides, rather than the fold down type :wink:

Image

Meanwhile, back in the NEI....

Image
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 01:15

What IS it about these that made people driving them look so glum??? 8O

Image
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 01:18

Hmm...
Were produced in two versions, officially designated as Tractor, Light, GS Mk.I and Tractor, Light, GS Mk.Ia (HS). In this case, an acronym standing for HS High Speed ​​and was related to the cavalry. For Belgium, these options have also been submitted, but they were referred to as Model 1 (Type A) and Model 2 (Type B).
http://www.aviarmor.net/TWW2/tanks/gb/vcl_utility.htm

Interesting.
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

YAN
Member
Posts: 1113
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 15:11
Location: ENGLAND

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by YAN » 13 Apr 2011 11:16

Thanks Phylo your pictures and comments have brightend up a gloomy day here in the UK. The pictures above looks like it had some sort of Armoured plate on them but it is impossible to tell if it could stop a bullet.
Regards Yan.

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 11:49

Yan, there's no way to tell from a pic whether what you're looking at is armourplate....or just steel plate ;) I don't think there's much of a chassis/frame under there...there's only minimal lines of rivetting holding the sidings on, for instance....and I've seen pics of a damaged british VUT at Dunkirk - there's nothing valuable UNDER that sloped glacis, its just another storage box! If you look at the last pic you can clearly see the three hinges along the bottom edge, turning it into a lid, not a glacis :lol: Don't forget the guncrew had to carry ALL its cr@p.... and themselves!...on these ickle things...so they're actually a study in optimisation of carrying capacity rather than making the smallest armoured vehicle ;)
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

YAN
Member
Posts: 1113
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 15:11
Location: ENGLAND

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by YAN » 13 Apr 2011 13:01

its similar to a frame of a normal softskin vehicle then just sheet metal, basically a frame.

User avatar
phylo_roadking
Member
Posts: 17487
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 23:31
Location: Belfast

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Apr 2011 15:05

Yan, I've had a comeback from elsewhere - the 1936 Vickers Carden-loyd Utility Tractor front sloped plate was "1/4-inch steel plate" I.E. not armourplate. Same in the Mk1 GS tractor in British service.
Twenty years ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Steve Jobs. Now we have no Cash, no Hope and no Jobs....
Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon alive...

YAN
Member
Posts: 1113
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 15:11
Location: ENGLAND

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by YAN » 13 Apr 2011 16:57

Thanks Phylo, it sounds similar to the first LVT-1, it had steel plates which acording to the Americans was not armoured.

Greygunner
New member
Posts: 1
Joined: 13 Feb 2020 05:57
Location: BC Canada

Re: Vickers Utility B Tractor

Post by Greygunner » 13 Feb 2020 06:14

That is not a BREN gun. It is a Vickers-Berthier LMG

Return to “The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45”