Id. british gun
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Hi all,
Are this gun a British 18pdr (83mm) gun or an 75mm ex-US M1917 gun ?
Does somebody have any image of the British Mk.4P mount of the 18pdr gun for to can compare ?
Image from Ebay
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Are this gun a British 18pdr (83mm) gun or an 75mm ex-US M1917 gun ?
Does somebody have any image of the British Mk.4P mount of the 18pdr gun for to can compare ?
Image from Ebay
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British
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Thanks LineDoggieLineDoggie wrote
British
How is possible to differentiate between both guns ?
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18 pounder- Recuperator ABOVE Bore
US 75mm- Recuperator BELOW Bore
"There are two kinds of people who are staying on this beach: those who are dead and those who are going to die. Now let’s get the hell out of here".
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I believe that LineDoggie is incorrect. The US M1917 was an 18-pounder modified to 75mm. The recuperator remained above the bore, as in the 18-pounder.
The 75mm M1987 had the recuperator below the barrel. See the Handbook of Artillery" of 1921 at
https://archive.org/details/handbookofartill00unitiala
WHR
The 75mm M1987 had the recuperator below the barrel. See the Handbook of Artillery" of 1921 at
https://archive.org/details/handbookofartill00unitiala
WHR
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Yes, reedwh52, both guns had the recuperator above the barrel so this it does not allow to differenciate between both models.
Perhaps the limber used can give us some clue...In my image the limber is different to the typical British limber of the image posted by LineDoggie.
Could this indicate an US-built M1917 gun ?
Sturm78
Perhaps the limber used can give us some clue...In my image the limber is different to the typical British limber of the image posted by LineDoggie.
Could this indicate an US-built M1917 gun ?
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The first photo looks to be an American 75mm M1917, the second is British AFAIK: it has vertical reinforcing straps on the gunshield, which I do not believe appeared on the American. Both have British-pattern wheels and tires though.
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Cracking Hitler's Atlantic Wall
Hitler's Last Gamble
Artillery Hell
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Ummhhh....I think the gun of my image has also the vertical reinforcing straps on the gunshield. I think that the main difference between both guns is that the US model had a straight shield and with a large skirt at the bottom and the British model an slightly more curved and and with a smaller skirt....Richard wrote
The first photo looks to be an American 75mm M1917, the second is British AFAIK: it has vertical reinforcing straps on the gunshield, which I do not believe appeared on the American. Both have British-pattern wheels and tires though.
According to this, I would say the gun of my image is a British model.....
Here an image of a 75mm M1917 US gun
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Good catch. I should have looked at the first photo more closely.
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Thanks apollo111....It seems that there were some differencies in the brake/recuperator mechanism cylinder ....apollo111 wrote
Compare
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Hello everyone
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_18-pounder_gun when speak of MkI* on Mk.II carriage
My two cent ...
PS. very interesting the way suggest to identify the 75mm M1917. In the past I supposed the a way is the two "guide" on the barrel that on 75mm arrived to the muzzle, while on the 18Pdr it are more short...
For what I know the different brake/recuperator cylinder is a modification for the MarkI* that introduce the hydro-pneumatic recuperatorThanks apollo111....It seems that there were some differencies in the brake/recuperator mechanism cylinder ....
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See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_18-pounder_gun when speak of MkI* on Mk.II carriage
My two cent ...
PS. very interesting the way suggest to identify the 75mm M1917. In the past I supposed the a way is the two "guide" on the barrel that on 75mm arrived to the muzzle, while on the 18Pdr it are more short...
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This is a very know IWM photo (F3637). But I need ask you a question ... It is a 18pdr... but the limber seem the 25pdr limber... It's true? It's strange that is used for a 18Pdr ... or not? It is possible storage the 18Pdr ammo in this limber? Lastly it's possible that also some old 18Pdr MkII was converted in 25Pdr?!?
Let me know
Thanks
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The only 12inch (30.5 cm) weapon the British sent to the continent in WW2 were some 12inch Railway Howitzers, which were about 6 meters long.
A guess. Both Vickers and Armstrong exported 12in/46 naval guns to Italy before WWI which armed various Italian battleships (Armstrong the Dante Alighieri and Guilio Cesare class, Vickers the Leonardo da Vinci class). The Italians also used them on land in WWI. Both guns were 14.5 meters long.
Possibly a British export 12 inch (30.5 cm) naval gun used by the Italians for coastal defense and captured by the Germans?
At least one 12in/46 gun was mounted on an ex-Austrian barge as a monitor (ITALIAN WARSHIPS OF WORLD WAR I, by Aldo Fraccaroli)
Guns and their use on land described in NAVAL WEAPONS OF WORLD WAR ONE, by Norman Friedman
A guess. Both Vickers and Armstrong exported 12in/46 naval guns to Italy before WWI which armed various Italian battleships (Armstrong the Dante Alighieri and Guilio Cesare class, Vickers the Leonardo da Vinci class). The Italians also used them on land in WWI. Both guns were 14.5 meters long.
Possibly a British export 12 inch (30.5 cm) naval gun used by the Italians for coastal defense and captured by the Germans?
At least one 12in/46 gun was mounted on an ex-Austrian barge as a monitor (ITALIAN WARSHIPS OF WORLD WAR I, by Aldo Fraccaroli)
Guns and their use on land described in NAVAL WEAPONS OF WORLD WAR ONE, by Norman Friedman