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Post by Andy » 31 Dec 2002, 06:53

Has their ever been a Field Marshal in the history of the Canadian Army?
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Post by Aufklarung » 31 Dec 2002, 16:46

No.
Biggest Cdn Field force was 1 Cdn Army (165,000 men) and that's too small for a Fd Marshal. Initially commanded by Lt General AGL McNaughton who became full General afterwards. 1 Cdn Army ended the war with Gen HDG Crerar in command.
Currently even our CDS (Chief of Def Staff) is only a Lt Gen .

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Post by Musashi » 01 Jan 2003, 14:54

aufklarung wrote:Biggest Cdn Field force was 1 Cdn Army (165,000 men) and that's too small for a Fd Marshal.
Do U include to the Army Polish 1st Armoured Divison, which was a part (and very effective unit) of 1st Canadian Army?

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Post by Aufklarung » 01 Jan 2003, 15:50

Of course I include 1st Polish Armd Div. I did not say it was an army of all Canadians. Thanx for pitching in. :D
Now if they had followed orders from higher in Normandy................ :lol:
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Post by Musashi » 04 Jan 2003, 19:15

@ Aufklarung
Do U have any information about other foreign units serving in 1st Canadian Army? I am interested to know about it.



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Post by Aufklarung » 05 Jan 2003, 00:43

Arigato
According to the Order of Battle for 1 Cdn Army '44-'45; the following foreign units were unter command or attached at one time or another for various lengths of time.

1st British Corps Troops-1x Armoured Recce,RA,Royal Engineer,and Royal Signals Units of Regimental size
30th Br Corps Tps- Same makeup as above
79th Armd Division(British)
Gds Armd Div(Br)
7th Br Armd Div
11th Br Armd Div
1st Polish Armd Div
3rd Infantry Div(Br)
15th(Scottish) Div(Br)
43rd(Wessex)Div(Br)
49th(West Riding)Div(Br)
50th(Northumbrian)Div(Br)
51st(Highland)Div(Br)
52(Lowland)Div(Br)
53rd(Welsh)Div(Br)
6th Airborne Div(Br)
82nd AB Div(US)
101st AB Div(US)
104thInf Div(US)
1st Belgian Bde
Royal Netherlands Bde(Princess Irene's)
Czech Armd Bde
6th Guards Armd Brigade(Br)
8th Armd Bde(Br)
34th Armd Bde(Br)
4th Commando Bde(Br)
3rd,4th,5th,and9th Army Groups Royal Artillery(Br)
74th and 106th Anti-Aircraft Bdes RA(Br)
1st Special Air Service Regiment(Br)
The Belgian SAS Regt
2nd and 3rd French Parachute Battalions

If you want more on the individual units in these formations, let me know.
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Post by T.R.Searle » 05 Jan 2003, 01:51

I never knew our army even used the rank of Field Marshal in the first place. Anyways they probably never will if there has to be more then 165,000 men for a Field Marshal to command, our armed forces now in total I do believe is somewhere around 80,000-90,000 for every branch 8O :lol: .

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Post by Musashi » 05 Jan 2003, 12:56

@ Aufklarung

DOU ITASHIMASHITE!

I didn't know the army had been so big.
I knew many units from the list, but I didn't know they belonged to 1st Canadian Army.:D. Some units (most of the units!) are very famous
and well known.

DOMO ARIGATO AUFKLARUNG-SAN. :D
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Post by Aufklarung » 05 Jan 2003, 17:05

Musashi wrote:I didn't know the army had been so big.
I knew many units from the list, but I didn't know they belonged to 1st Canadian Army.
Well the Army was always roughly the same size. It was just that some Cdn Units were transfered to US or British Command for a time, as well as some of those foreign units did come under Cdn Command, but only for a short time in most cases. 79th Br Armd with their "Funnies" were around 1 Cdn Army from DDay till the end, whereas units like 101st US AB Div were only "Canadian" for a week. Hope this is clear.

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Post by Musashi » 05 Jan 2003, 17:33

Sure. Its clear and funny :D


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Post by Aufklarung » 05 Jan 2003, 17:43

Why funny? Funny Strange or Funny Haha? this happens alot in multi-national forces.
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Post by Lord Gort » 05 Jan 2003, 17:48

As I understand it Field Marshals, Air Chief Marshalls and Admirals of the Fleet are only appointed during wartime. Maybe I am wrong.
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Post by Musashi » 05 Jan 2003, 19:06

aufklarung wrote: 79th Br Armd with their "Funnies" were around 1 Cdn Army from DDay till the end, whereas units like 101st US AB Div were only "Canadian" for a week.

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It was funny. However I agree. It happens in multi-national forces.
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Post by Aufklarung » 06 Jan 2003, 17:44

Just to be more clear; "Funnies" are specially equipped armour like mine-clearing flail tanks, flame-throwing Crocodiles, searchlight equipped CDLs, Landing Vehicle Tracked, Duplex Drive Amphibious tanks, and Kangaroo APCs. 79th Br Armd Div was not for frontline Armd uses but more as a support Div for the attacks.

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Post by Musashi » 06 Jan 2003, 18:57

Thanks.
A question. Was 51st Highland Division Scottish? I suppose the Englishmen didn't have highland divisions. Am I right or not?
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