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British tank question

Post by karlik » 02 Jan 2021 08:38

Hi!
Tell me please did it exist british tank - A13 Mk.I Cruiser tank Mk.III CS????
(http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-V ... /Mk3CS.htm)
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Re: British tank question

Post by OldBill » 03 Jan 2021 00:18

AFAIK, yes. I don't have my copy of Chamberlain and Ellis handy, but the UK generally made a CS version of tanks to fire smoke rounds for their cruisers.

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Re: British tank question

Post by karlik » 03 Jan 2021 09:18

The book of Chamberlain and Ellis does not mention such a modification CS of the tank Cruiser Mk III.
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Re: British tank question

Post by Gary Kennedy » 03 Jan 2021 19:55

"World War Two Tanks", Orbis 1976, by Eric Grove, says that some Mark IVs were armed with the 3.7-inch, but like Chamberlain and Ellis does not mention the Mark III as being. Not much help I know sorry but I'm not a tankie.

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Re: British tank question

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 03 Jan 2021 20:41

According to the Bellona Military Vehicle Print, Number 20 there were "a limited number "of CS A13 built as the Tank Mark IVA CS. There was a series of articles on the A13 in Military Modelling Magazine some years ago but my copies are not to hand, perhaps someone has easy access to the series.
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Re: British tank question

Post by karlik » 05 Jan 2021 08:53

No, this book only mentions Mk IV CS
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Re: British tank question

Post by karlik » 05 Jan 2021 09:16

One more question.
What howitzer were armed cruiser tank Mk IV CS, 3-inch or 3,7 inch?
Chamberlain's book talks about 3,7-inch, and Bellona book says about 3-inch?
It seems to me that there is a mistake in Chamberlain's book, which is now used by other authors even visually, these howitzers are too different.
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Re: British tank question

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 05 Jan 2021 18:00

karlik wrote:
05 Jan 2021 08:53
No, this book only mentions Mk IV CS
Did you bother to read the text or did you just look at that chart and drawing ? I suggest that when you read the text you'll find that I wasn't just making it up.
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Re: British tank question

Post by karlik » 05 Jan 2021 19:15

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
05 Jan 2021 18:00
Did you bother to read the text or did you just look at that chart and drawing ? I suggest that when you read the text you'll find that I wasn't just making it up.
MK III CS is also not mentioned in the text
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Re: British tank question

Post by karlik » 05 Jan 2021 19:20

I speak English very badly, so I cannot understand what our differences are.
Mk III CS did not exist, there was only Mk IV CS.
Is that correct?

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Re: British tank question

Post by Ружичасти Слон » 05 Jan 2021 22:28

karlik wrote:
05 Jan 2021 19:20
Mk III CS did not exist, there was only Mk IV CS.
Is that correct?
Not correct.

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Re: British tank question

Post by Richard Anderson » 05 Jan 2021 22:56

karlik wrote:
05 Jan 2021 08:53
No, this book only mentions Mk IV CS
Funny, but it looks like that page does mention Mark IVA C.S.

Sorry, I see what you were saying now. No, IIRC only the three prototypes and 65 Cruiser Tank Mark III (A.13 Mark I) were completed. I do not believe a C/S version was built, but it was for the Cruiser Tank Mark IV (A.12 Mark II).
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Re: British tank question

Post by Gary Kennedy » 06 Jan 2021 02:02

A good point regarding the howitzer calibre. The 1938-40 war establishment (WE) tables included details of ammunition and only refer to 3-inch for the CS tanks in the Armoured Regiment WE and the Armoured Brigade RASC Company.

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Re: British tank question

Post by karlik » 06 Jan 2021 08:31

Richard Anderson wrote:
05 Jan 2021 22:56
Funny, but it looks like that page does mention Mark IVA C.S.
Yes, of course Mk IVA CS.
I have simplified the name since the main question was Mk III or Mk IV.

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Re: British tank question

Post by karlik » 06 Jan 2021 08:45

Gary Kennedy wrote:
06 Jan 2021 02:02
A good point regarding the howitzer calibre. The 1938-40 war establishment (WE) tables included details of ammunition and only refer to 3-inch for the CS tanks in the Armoured Regiment WE and the Armoured Brigade RASC Company.
Gary
However, the howitzer on the Mk I and Mk II tanks differs from the howitzer on the Mk IV - Mk VI tanks.
And they call her 3.7 inch???
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