Story of Churchill distrust for De Gaulle emerges...

[Ironmachine]

What a stupid ongoing discussion we have here! There is not a single nation free of sins of the past, and measuring those faults so as to see which country is the most criminal of all is an exercise in futility. And still here you are, throwing stones at each other for something you had no part in, using arguments that would be out of place even among children,as if there was any need for further proof that stultorum infinitus est numerus.
Come on, stop this nonsense and just keep on topic! You are quite capable of doing far better than this, and this forum certainly deserves it.

[LineDoggie]

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[LineDoggie]

the come back of the troll from fuckfrance.com

Troll? your immediatel responce made it personal attacks and attacks on an my entire nation &the UK because not everyone prostrates themselves at egotistical scumbag de Gaulles feet

and I never heard of fuckfrance.com until you present it

while in New York there are celebrations for the victory for your main partner Nazi Germany over France with the SS perpetrating their first crimes

France produced more war material for the reich then she did for france itself. France was a main partner. USA never had a Waffen-SS Division of volunteers, FRANCE did, some of the last defenders of berlin were FRENCH SS.

again you are very well placed to teach lessons to the world, e.g. Asia to not mention Viêt Nam, the American colonisation of Philippines maybe one half-million of dead for 7 millions of inhabitants in only few years, any other colonial power would be impressed by such toll death,

LOL you bring up vietnam but you seem to forget your own nations crimes in Indochina for almost 100 years. 29 nations under French Occupation as unwilling colonies of france. Senegal, Madagascar, Algeria, Morocco, Cameroon, Rwanda, Chad, Haiti (where it became law to kill the french at sight after the rapacious french were defeated), Annam, Tonkin, Cochinchina, Guinea, Mali, Gabon, Ivory Coast, Benin, Niger, Djibouti, by 1913 almost half of Africa was under french bayonet rule.

and to talk about México dividing the size of your neighbour by two, chapeau

a war (after Mexican troops attacked US Troops on April 25th, 1846) during a border dispute, and then a post war Purchase of land- Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo and the Gasden purchase of 1853.

from Jay Treaty to numerous Roosevelt and successors stabs on the back, US are well placed for lessons of ungratefulness to France

Stabs in the back? at casablanca we Agreed to Arm the french army to the tune of
5 divisions complete from mess spoons to heavy artillery, and aircraft from P-47's to B-26's
US shipyards repaired you navy ships

Thats some stab

and for the rest in comparison with the antisemitic Roosevelt who considered de Gaulle as a fascist dictator only supported by communists and jews, who shared the same vision than Hitler and Nazi Germany concerning the independance of France, that is to say treated her no more better than the 3 Axis powers who attacked and occupied France in 1940 when the US were neutrals : Nazi Germany, Facist Italy and Japan, replacing the german occupation of France by the US one with the AMGOT, the same Roosevelt sharing the same vision than the nazis about his geography : the North and Alsace Moselle already separated by Nazi Germany who should be given to the newly-raised kind of BENELUX state with the Great Duchy of Luxembourg...!!

absolute impotent gibberish

France is well known for Anti Semitism over 400 years before America was discovered & over 700 years before the USA existed as a Free Nation (year 987 ring a bell?). And france willingly handed over Jews directly to the Nazis for extermination, the USA did not. France even took away the citizenship of 1 million french Jews naturalized from 19 on July 1940. 76,000 Jews were deported to the nazis from france. Compare to Denmark where they rescued 7,220 of their 7,800 Jews from the Nazis.

you are are speaking from a nation who wasn't unable to fight against their british masters and german auxiliaries until to ask the help of the French Army

Ahem Saratoga victory was BEFORE the french, but ok Now USA send Ordnance to French in ww1, Arms french in WW2, Supports french in Vietnam so any gratitude was repaid long before.

From both anglo-saxon countries who didn't cease to support and protect Germany against the guarantees asked by France throughout the years 30, it was time to react in 1939 one year later the germans were everywhere

look in the mirror at your perfidy to the Czechs in 1938

Hum no at all, the behaviour of the French people was certainly not to send "childen jews" to the nazis burning their neighbours in the synagogues nor to be associated with such criminals acts

Yet YOU did send children to the nazis KNOWING they would be murdered


your losing your mind in puffery rage over the fact not everyone thinks de gaulle was a god

[Loïc]

France produced more war material for the reich then she did for france itself. France was a main partner. USA never had a Waffen-SS Division of volunteers, FRANCE did, some of the last defenders of berlin were FRENCH SS.

an obession and mania towards Waffen SS maybe? As already said only a brigade-size for 40 millions of inhabitants, a 14th july we received more people in my village than in the whole Charlemagne throughout the war, some countries having a govt in London did exponentially more for very less inhabitants, around Berlin and Germany, there were 2 then 1 millions of Frenchmen still in french uniforms them since 1940 who fought against Hitler, and "France" never "had a Waffen SS division of volunteers" if not around 100 divisions against Nazi Germany when the USA had none except few volunteers sanitary transport sections within the French Army, I wonder how many US would be volunteers in SS under german occupation given, even proportionnaly, a larger recruitment pool due to the millions of members of KKK, german-blood citizens, and racialist obessions, the antisemitism was even "stronger than in Germany before the nazi era" (sic)

The Canadian historian Jacques Pauwels has shown that Hitler's Germany, from 1933 to 1945, was not only a "paradise for the German elite" of the economy but also for that of the United States of America. , much more concerned with fighting Communism than Nazism. Let us recall that in 1939, the liner Saint-Louis, which sheltered more than nine hundred Jewish refugees, could not land in the United States: Roosevelt did not even deign to respond to the request for asylum which reached him by cable. The ship had to turn back to Europe and many passengers perished in extermination camps. We are not at the end of our surprises, because we are going to see that the behavior of the American political and economic powers towards Nazi Germany goes beyond understanding and seriously puts into perspective the image so often hammered home of the American liberators.

(...)"Miracle" in which Knudsen, like other big bosses, participates greatly through Opel-Adam, by having tanks, trucks and bomber engines manufactured, while others such as Texaco or Standard Oil, supply the Germans rubber, motor oil, diesel and various fuels (Jacques Pauwels, op. cited). Without the support of American and Swiss banks, but above all without American war material, supplies and technology, Hitler's Germany, it is a certain fact, was incapable of waging the war it did.

absolute impotent gibberish

totally serious AMGOT and plan to divide in many books
last one I see "Roosevelt the false ally" the Czech president in exile after having met Roosevelt learning his plan to valid territorial losses made by Nazi Germany at the expense of France (Alsace Moselle Flanders...) to a future postwar BENELUX
"I thought he was anti-gaullist he is anti-french"

France is well known for Anti Semitism over 400 years before America was discovered & over 700 years before the USA existed as a Free Nation (year 987 ring a bell?). And france willingly handed over Jews directly to the Nazis for extermination, the USA did not. France even took away the citizenship of 1 million french Jews naturalized from 19 on July 1940. 76,000 Jews were deported to the nazis from france. Compare to Denmark where they rescued 7,220 of their 7,800 Jews from the Nazis.

you don't know nothing about the history of judaism in Europe, only to present a favorable historical vision of jewish presence in the USA rather than in Western Europe Austria and France were pionners to the jewish emancipation, 1781 and 1787 Edicts of Tolerance, then equality of rights with the Revolution among catholics protestants jewish whites blacks mulattos, well I don't remember that USA had blacks parliamentarians at that time...
USA was not an occupied country contrary to France, despite totaly free democratic independant and unoccupied the antisemitic US policy of that time did everything to limit or repluse the jewish immigration
in only one village of France like the Chambon-sur-Lignon there were 7000 jewish people rescued, the whole equivalent of the Danish rescue, very far to be an exception in the rest of France, the French society under nazi occupation was rather a protection asylum for jewish than a ghetto prior to Auschwitz contrary to others occupied countries and contrary the US policy of that time who didn't wish them on their soil and your obsequious will to criminalize the French people and the generation who knew WWII and associate them to the german nazi policy of jewish deportation and extermination

Troll? your immediatel responce made it personal attacks and attacks on an my entire nation &the UK because not everyone prostrates themselves at egotistical scumbag de Gaulles feet

like in this last thread you had already started to share your proctological terminology against others entire nations I didn't react the first time that's all
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and after that

Yet YOU did send children to the nazis KNOWING they would be murdered

what about not welcoming on your soil, e.g. the Saint Louis all that free democratic and unoccupied by Nazi Germany
YOU? As 95% of the French people living in a occupied country instead of being in the "Waffen SS Charlemagne" (?) and sending "Children jews to the Nazis" basically they were in the stalags for a great part of ours family, living in the half-clandestinity given the forced labour, waiting the come back of fathers brothers ad uncles, basic points that a complete crass ignorant is very far to understand and know

your losing your mind in puffery rage over the fact not everyone thinks de gaulle was a god

frankly I don't care at all and at a point you can't imagine

glad to learn that German-Belgian Rwanda was a French colony, well that is the same level of knowledge of the rest and e.g. that France "annexed Morocco" who didn't cease to be a State under French and Spanish protectorates

a war (after Mexican troops attacked US Troops on April 25th, 1846) during a border dispute, and then a post war Purchase of land- Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo and the Gasden purchase of 1853.

claro claro mi estimado todo eso es la culpa de los Méxicanos al privarlos de la mitad de su territorio...

[yantaylor]

I am surprised that this thread has been given the chop by now, the moderators are usually on the ball around here.

Ian

[Loïc]

BTW, is it true that after Churchill ordered 140.000 French troops to evacuated from Dunkirk, De Gaulle wanted to set up shop in Northern Ireland to keep off English soil?

de Gaulle knew pefectly his Irish genealogy Clan Mac Cartan from Kinelarty, County Down Northern Ireland
on sea on the Westernland at the end of august,/early september 1940 he asked
what it is this land there?
Should be Ireland I hear it's really very lovely but we will wait another occasion for visiting
this took place 29 years later

again I insist there were no 100 000-French-saved-from-Dunkirk-in-Britain, that is a complete inaccuracy, only few wounded, the crews from merchant and military navy and only 4500 French soldiers from the 1st Light Division of Chasseurs from Norway and evacuated from Brest, nothing to do with Dunkirk

[EwenS]

BTW, is it true that after Churchill ordered 140.000 French troops to evacuated from Dunkirk, De Gaulle wanted to set up shop in Northern Ireland to keep off English soil?

de Gaulle knew pefectly his Irish genealogy Clan Mac Cartan from Kinelarty, County Down Northern Ireland
on sea on the Westernland at the end of august,/early september 1940 he asked
what it is this land there?
Should be Ireland I hear it's really very lovely but we will wait another occasion for visiting
this took place 29 years later

again I insist there were no 100 000-French-saved-from-Dunkirk-in-Britain, that is a complete inaccuracy, only few wounded, the crews from merchant and military navy and only 4500 French soldiers from the 1st Light Division of Chasseurs from Norway and evacuated from Brest, nothing to do with Dunkirk

From the British National Archives site
https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/mi ... t-dunkirk/

Note the comment near the end -
“The fact that many of these evacuated French troops ended up being returned to France, after barely a week’s pause, to face the Germans again, followed swiftly by the defeat of their country, deprives the French of any sense of victory from this event. Furthermore, the Dunkirk evacuation, though widely celebrated in Britain, attracted a ‘chorus of condemnation’ in France 8. Evidently, this feeling has never left French society.”

Referenced to

Martin S Alexander, ‘Dunkirk in military operations, myths and memories’ in Robert Tombs & Emile Chabal (eds.) Britain and France in Two World Wars: Truth, Myth and Memory (London: Bloomsbury, 2013), p. 99. ↩

Any disputes should be taken up with the author of that work.