Yugoslave artillery 1941

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 23 Jun 2009 12:03

Hi Nuyt, I am looking at the photo now and has a very long barrel, and it is set in field works similar to ww1, the gunners are waring field caps similar to what the Italians wore in ww2, one more thing the gun wheels have what looks like boards attached to them like catapiller tracks. I will see what I can do with the photo later.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 23 Jun 2009 12:46

Me again, Nuyt I have found another picture, this time it is a 150mmL/55 P.K.L. M.1930 Gun and it looks like it could be part of a coastal defence position.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by The Edge » 23 Jun 2009 14:14

YAN wrote: One for you Edge, was all of the artillery horse drawn except for the elite units ?
Answer is YES. :?

These are the only types of artillery for motorised towing:
105mm & 150mm M.36 Skoda (towed by Skoda 6x6 specialized truck)
150mm & 220mm M.28 Skoda (Towed by yet to be identified vehicle of Czech origins, "M.28")
305mm M.11/30 & M.16 Skoda (towed by old Austro-Daimler M.12 & M.12/16 tractors)
plus AA guns:
20mm M.39 (Breda) - towed by ???
8cm Skoda M.28A - Praga L trucks
75mm Skoda M.37 & 76.5mm Skoda M.36 (not sure of type, maybe Praga RN)

(There is one intersting book about the use of vehicles in Serbian/Yugoslav Army, but I haven't obtained yet :oops: )
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by The Edge » 23 Jun 2009 14:22

nuyt wrote:ok, that 15 cm Marinegeschuess L35? Hmm, sounds like a vintage gun. Most naval guns had much longer barrels. But if it was named Rheinmetall it cant be that old.
L/35 & 10.3km range - definitively XIX century one. :D
If you see under "4" on my Yugoslav table, there is some 105mm L/45 "Krupp or Erhart" gun. Austrian Navy bought guns not only from Skoda.
Maybe the L/35 also came from Erhart, but in meantime (1941) the company change its name, so Italians choose to introduce it as "Rheinmetall" ? :roll:

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 23 Jun 2009 15:26

To BTW, are the Cavalry guns you mentioned the 75mmL/19 Schneider de cavalerie mle 1912.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 23 Jun 2009 16:09

To Edge, I just googled the 80mm M.1928 Field Gun for a bit of data (max range & crew & L/) and on Wiki it came up as a mountain gun, I know they used 65mmL/20 (Schneider) and 75mmL/15 (Skoda) Mountain Guns, but Wiki came up with 75mmL/19 M.1928 Mountain Gun used by Yuogoslavia, back to the 80mm M.1928 Gun was the barrel L/30 ?.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 23 Jun 2009 18:21

Here is the gun I promised


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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Dili » 23 Jun 2009 18:27

150/35 cann. da pos. Rheinmetall 4 Jugoslavia

Any info on these guns?
No. Note that in Italian page i linked it states 7km range. Also Italians had a diferent way to measure Gun lenght calibres , so maybe a 105/35 in Italian sources might mean 105/37?8 in German factory. For example that Skoda 156mm(a calibre i didn't know it existed in Skoda) is referenced as 156/47 in Italian and 156/50 in German source. Of course it might also happen than one was converted and the other being only 4 didn't.


Btw from Italian Source:

90/35 cann. c.a. Skoda 4 Jugoslavia. Maybe the 90mm AA Battery that The edge was refering to.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Dili » 23 Jun 2009 18:34

I asked about in Artillery subforum about Beute quantities and Jopaerya was kind enough to answer with this list from 01-03-1944 with all gun used by the Feldheer.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Dili » 23 Jun 2009 18:45

Here is the gun I promised
This appears to be the Italian 149/35

http://www.italie1935-45.com/RE/photosc ... 49-35.html

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Dili » 23 Jun 2009 18:58

An Italian - Yugoslav mystere

88/30 cann. c.a. Krupp Jugoslavia.

Any reference to this AA gun in Yugoslavia?

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This are the 66mm AA Guns Models captured probably in Coastal instalations

66/26 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia
66/39 M 06 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia
66/42 M 09 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia
66/45 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by The Edge » 24 Jun 2009 08:35

YAN wrote:1) are the Cavalry guns you mentioned the 75mmL/19 Schneider de cavalerie mle 1912...?
2) just googled the 80mm M.1928 Field Gun for a bit of data (max range & crew & L/) and on Wiki it came up as a mountain gun, I know they used 65mmL/20 (Schneider) and 75mmL/15 (Skoda) Mountain Guns, but Wiki came up with 75mmL/19 M.1928 Mountain Gun used by Yuogoslavia, back to the 80mm M.1928 Gun was the barrel L/30 ?
1) Both Yugoslav & German info for Mle 12 Schneider is L/25.4
(L/19 "smells" like Italian designation of the same gun - if we deduct 350mm (cca L/5) case length & approx 1.5 caliber for breech recess from stated L/25.4, we get - L/19 !!! :D )

2) Skoda CD mountain gun (Yugoslav M.1928) was 75mm L/18;
Skoda FE field gun (Yugoslav M.1928) was "80mm" (i.e. 76.5mm) L/40.
(Two L/30 field gun models in 8cm caliber existed in Yugoslav inventory - M.05/08 & M.17, both WWI Austro-Hungarian leftovers; improvised M.05/28 AA guns were also 8cm L/30)
Wikipedia data for Czechoslovakian verzion is correct - L/40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_cm_kanon_vz._30 , so where you found L/30 ?

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by The Edge » 24 Jun 2009 09:23

Dili wrote:An Italian - Yugoslav mystere
88/30 cann. c.a. Krupp Jugoslavia.
Any reference to this AA gun in Yugoslavia?
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This are the 66mm AA Guns Models captured probably in Coastal instalations
66/26 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia
66/39 M 06 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia
66/42 M 09 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia
66/45 cann. c.a. Skoda Jugoslavia
First the 9cm L/35 - I'm not positive about this one; Is it Italian designation? :roll: If so, this could be ex-Austrian "9cm K7" (see info bellow), converted for AA use (probably the same ones from my data about one Yugo naval battery of 90mm AA guns, ex A-H). Italian designation for newer 9cm K12 (L/45) was "90/42".

88/30 - Obvious Italian marking; could be Austrian "9cm M.07" (see last one at: http://www.moesslang.net/kuk-kanonen.htm - lot of Austro-Hungarian fortress and AA artillery) or similar German weapon: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_88mm-35_skc00.htm (or both? :roll: Austrian Navy did bought Krupp designs) Yugoslavia got some obsolete German material via War Reparations, including ships - so these Krupp guns could be taken from one of these.

66/26 cann. c.a. Skoda - that's 7cm L/30 for Austria (66mm L/30 in Yugoslavia)
66/39 M 06 cann. c.a. Skoda - similarly, 7cm L/42 K6 (66mm L/42 Yugoslavia)
66/42 M 09 cann. c.a. Skoda - Austrian 7cm L/45 K9 (66mm L/45 Yugoslavia)
66/45 cann. c.a. Skoda - Austrian 7cm L/50 K10 & K16 (66mm L/50 Yugoslavia) -
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNAust_27-50_Skoda.htm

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 24 Jun 2009 15:06

[IMG]http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz2/ ... 1930Gun.jp
Hi Guys, I am sorry over the 8cm gun you are right Edge, Dili here is another pic of a 150mmL/45 M.1930 Gun I hope it is the Rheinmetall.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 24 Jun 2009 15:09

I am sorry Dili, I have failed to copy image, I will recive help later.
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