Yugoslave artillery 1941

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 18 Oct 2013 13:26

Thank you aca-p, can I ask you a question; is there a book or web site that I can find the same information you have, I have searched for years trying to find this data and you have it at your fingertips.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by aca_p » 18 Oct 2013 13:45

support part was like this:

1 sgt (pistol)
1 sub sgt (pistol)
4 soldiers batmen
1 soldier clerk
2 soldiers cooks
6 soldiers grooms for 10 pack horses (1 replacement, 6 for kitchen, 3 for office)

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 18 Oct 2013 14:12

Excellent aca-p.
by the way what was the Carbines you mentioned, were they just cut down versions of the 7.92mm M.24 Rifle?

Was the 7.92mm M.24 Rifle used by Machine Gun Troops or was there a combination of both Carbines and Rifles.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by aca_p » 18 Oct 2013 15:54

in mg platoons, in each squad sub sgt, 3 mg crew and 3 grooms had carbines,
gunner and 2 mg crew had pistols

in small mg platoon, in each squad 7 small mg crew and 3 grooms had carbines.
sub sgt and 2 gunners had pistols

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 18 Oct 2013 16:26

Is this better?

Small MG Squad

Sub-Sergeant (Pistol)
Two Corporals/Gunners (Pistols)
Five Gun Crew (Carbines)
Three Grooms (Carbines)
I would have thought that at least two men in the gun crew in the small MG squad would have been loaders and the rest either for ammo carrying or security.

MG Squad

Sub-Sergeant (Carbine)
Corporal/Gunner (Pistol)
Two Privates/Gun Crew (Pistols)
Three Private/Gun Crew (Carbines)
Three Grooms (Carbines)

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 19 Oct 2013 11:45

Due to the lack of information I cannot track down what make of Carbine the Machine Gun Troops would be issued, I would expect them to be calibre 7.92mm and maybe they were of Czech origin or could they be Steyr M95?

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 21 Oct 2013 13:44

Which one of these weapons was the main Carbine issued to Yugoslav machine gun troops in 1941.

http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/infantry/

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by ltcolonel » 21 Oct 2013 21:30

Carabines in Yugoslav army had turned-down bolt handle and were designed to carry on your back and not over your shoulder.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by ltcolonel » 21 Oct 2013 23:08

7,9 mm machine gun Schwartzlose M 7/12

barrel ... 530 мм
lenght of line of sight ... 686 mm
bullet ... 12,8 gram
smokeless powder (Obilićevo - Kruševac) ... 2,95 gr

atmosphere - +15 C, 750 mm Hg, moisture 74%
muzzle velocity ... 718 m/s

Range table from 1937

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 22 Oct 2013 09:31

Thank you Lt. Colonel for you time and kindness.
So would the term Carbine be say a standard M.24 Rifle with a turned down bolt.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 25 Oct 2013 12:50

Lt. Colonel, do you have the year and amount of Mitraljez 8mm M.7/12 S available to the Yugoslav Army?
I am also having difficulty in find out the effective or maximum range for this weapon.
I have it as 580 rounds per minute, but I don’t think this was a practical rate of fire.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by ltcolonel » 25 Oct 2013 23:14

These guns were captured by Austro Hungarian army. I have the exact number of captured but I have to look at my records. Effective range for machine gun M 7/12 in original caliber 8 mm (for target 1,70 m high) was 450 m (exactly 600 steps) and maximum range 2000 m. Muzzle velocity ... 530 m/s. Data are from the Yugoslav Range tables for Mitraljez 8 mm M 7/12. Interestingly, in some manuals theoretical rate of fire was 300 rounds per minute in other 500 rounds per minute. I have not seen any of the Austro-Hungarian nor in Yugoslavia or in the Russian manuals (or Range table) data on 580 rounds per minute - exclusively 300 or 500 rounds per minute. Practical rate of fire in all manuals (or Range table) was 250 rounds per minute.
Sorry for my English.
Nebojša Đokić.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 26 Oct 2013 10:30

Hello Nebojša, your English is fine.

Thank you for the help, the two sites I have been using for data concerning the Schwarzlose are these;

http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=285
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php? ... achineguns

The trouble is they fire a different round to the one issued Yugoslavian troops.

Keep well and I hope to hear from you later.

Best wishes
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by YAN » 04 Nov 2013 17:38

Hello Lt. Colonel, did you find the M 7/12 totals?

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by ain92 » 30 Nov 2013 20:18

Hello all.
I've recently found a good photo from the Dutch National Archive.
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Two Italian officers are examining captured Yugoslav artillery pieces, 47 mm Škoda anti-tank guns (could anyone remind, what was it official and factory designations?) and 81 mm Brandt mortars (M.31 or M.31/38?)
Thanks in advance.
With best regards, Ilya.

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