Yugoslave artillery 1941

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by nuyt » 13 Jul 2014 10:18

ltcolonel wrote:Around 1925 to 1927th all Krupp guns were refurbished to use old Bulgarian HE shells and shrapnels (for Bulgarian Schneider guns 75 mm M 04).
Ammunition captured from Bulgarians was standard ammunition for the guns 75 mm M7 and M7A Schneider (ex Serbian), 75 mm M04 Schneider (ex Bulgarian) and Krupp 75 mm guns M04n and 75 mm M04t in Army Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
Very interesting info ltcol! Did Yugoslavia also modify the carriage of the Kurpp 75 to boxtrail like the Bulgarians did (as well as the Dutch)?
I believe the guns on the left of this picture are Yugo Krupp 75s? Looks like they have a boxtrail?
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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Sturm78 » 25 Aug 2014 11:37

Hi all,

8cm M05/28 or M05/32 AA guns:

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by vincenzoforum » 01 Nov 2014 12:01

Hi to all
i'm looking data on the 105 skoda gun M15/26 in jugoslavian army somebody can help me?
data: number of guns available and gun statistic (weight, range and so)
i'm sorry for my bad english

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by aca_p » 09 Nov 2014 21:22

Greetings all,

I prepared the Yugoslav Royal Army division full formation

http://apantelic.rs/jkv/form_div/divizija.htm

it is in Serbian, but it somebody is really interested in the Yugoslav formations it will be easy to follow and translate...

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Dili » 10 Nov 2014 11:44

Very good! I tried translate with Google and for most part it works.

For what i checked i just have doubts about below link that gives the type of guns per division. But after the list is a bit unclear.


http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... zYOb2zGWYg

Original non Google link:
http://apantelic.rs/jkv/form_div/art/diviziskaart.htm

It discusses that Bregalnička does not have artillery attached, but i can't make what motive. In my data i have it in Stip and Berovo in the South.

Google also translates "roller" and "field" howitzers, does this mean : motorized and horse/Ox towed?



Vincenzo: This is what i have 105mm M.15/26 (rebored Skoda 104mm M.1915 Long Field Gun)

Muzzle speed: 668 m/s Weight: 3030 kg Range 13.9 km with 19.5 kg shrapnel shell, range 15.67 km with 15.6 kg HE shell; Ox or Horse driven in Corps (Armies in Yugoslav Kingdom designation) Artillery Regiments.

I don't have quantities available, only that it was part of 180 of this 105mm list- looking at others i would say less or around 100.
105mm M.13 (Schneider LM 13 Long Field Gun) Qty: ~ probably around 60 (Germans captured 38)
105mm M.15/26 (rebored Skoda 104mm M.1915 Long Field Gun)
105mm M.35/6 Long Field Gun - Skoda 10.5 cm "J" field gun 1935. Qty: 24

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by aca_p » 10 Nov 2014 14:31

if you specify translate from Serbian to English (don't use language auto detect) translation will be much better.

it translated correctly brdska haubica = mountain howitzer, poljska haubica = field howitzer

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Dili » 10 Nov 2014 16:10

Okay will try thanks

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by vincenzoforum » 27 Nov 2014 19:59

Thank you Dili ,

on the aca_p work
PT M12, 75mm schneider M12 gun?
PT M28, 76.5mm skoda M18 gun?
PH M14, 100mm skoda M14 howitzer?
PT 5, 76.5 skoda M5 gun?
PT 5/8, 76.5 skoda M5/8 gun?
PH M14, 100 skoda M14/19 howitzer?
PT 5 7/8, mixed schneider and skoda gun?
BT M15, 75 mountain howitzer skoda M15?
BH M16, 100 skoda M16 mountain howitzer?
BH M28, 100 skoda M28 mountain howitzer?
BT M28, 75 skoda M28 mountain howitzer?
BT M06, 65 schneider mountain gun?
PT M7, 75 schneider M06 gun?
PT M5 8/8, mixed 76.5 skoda M5&M5/8 gun?
PT M5/8, 76.5 skoda M5/8 gun?
PT M4 sn, 75 schneider TR gun?


so the skoda M17 was not in service or only not in division level?

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by aca_p » 28 Nov 2014 20:02

PT (poljski top=field gun) M28 is skoda M28
PT 5, PT 5 7/8, PT M5 8/8 didn't exist
BT (brdski top=mountain gun) M15 is gun not howitzer
BT M28 is gun not howitzer

the rest is correct.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by aca_p » 28 Nov 2014 20:13

added the formation of the cetnik (chetnics, commando) battalions

http://apantelic.rs/jkv/form_arm/cet/cet_batalj.htm

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by vincenzoforum » 29 Nov 2014 01:43

aca_p
i've called BT M15 & 28 howitzer because so was called in italian army
for the PT M28 is my misstyped
for the PT 5 etc were on the link ...
now we have two PT 5/8 i suppose would be M5/8

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by MarkoZ » 28 Oct 2018 13:08

According to "Infantry ,mountain and Airbourne gun P16. The Yugoslav Army had some Schneider MLE 1919 75 mm and 105 mm Mountain guns German Beute ref 7..5cm GebK 283(j) and 10.5cm le .GebH 329(j).
Never seen it anywhere else any body got the book?

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by Varadero » 04 Nov 2018 22:14

If you mean the WW2 Fact Files (ISBN 0-358-08225-3) than yes, I have the book

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by MarkoZ » 08 Nov 2018 18:42

Yes looks like it's that one by Chamberlain and Gander, I have got the field artillery one, and there is not a great deal of information about users and some is incorrect.
I would like to check sources showing lists of Artillery captured but The Wehrmacht in April 1941. That data would confirm if Yugoslav Royal army had any of these guns.

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Re: Yugoslave artillery 1941

Post by MarkoZ » 10 Nov 2018 12:27

I have found a thread on this forum from 2006 started by 'The EDGE' Ivica looked into this back then and ascertained that the Germans had mistakenly shown captured Greek Guns as being Yugoslav.

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