Yugoslave artillery 1941

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found these two interesting images on Ebay:

Image 1: 76.5mm Skoda M1928 field guns
Image 2: 10.5cm Skoda M36 barrel trailer

Regards Sturm78

[Dili]

The Edge you said above that Yugoslavia had 5 210mm M73 mortars. Do you know the numbers for:

210 mm M.80 coastal mortar
210 mm M.98 coastal mortar
240mm M.98 coastal mortar
240mm L/40 Naval Gun

also
150mm D40 Skoda Coastal Gun
150mm D50 Skoda Coastal Gun
155mm M.77 Gun
156mm L/50

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Other image of the same series of my last image: 10.5cm Skoda M36 barrel trailer.

Image from Ebay
Regards Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. I think the image shows a 30.5cm Skoda M11-30 carriage trailer of Yugoslav Army abandoned in 1941.

Regards Sturm78

[YAN]

Hi, Edge, I have had my data erased from my computer recently and wondered if you could help me find some of the lost info on Yugoslav artillery.

Total of guns,

20mm M.1939 AA Guns
150mm M.1914/16 Howitzers
150mm M.1934 Howitzers
And was the 80mm M.05/08 a Field gun or Mountain gun.

it would be nice to hear from you again after so long, your info has been a great help to me over the years.
Regards Yan.

[The Edge]

Sorry for late reply, but I was „out of action“ (as Forum is considered ) during weekend.

One by one item:
1) 20mm M.39 was imported Breda Modello 35 guns. Number was from 100-150, but I think the lower number is more probable, like 120 pcs.
2) 149mm M.14 and M.14/16 were the most numerous models between the medium howitzers; together they numbered some 200-230 examples. (They were basically the same weapon, only the M.14/16 variant could be dismounted into 2 or 4 loads for mountain transport.)
3) As for 149mm Skoda K2 howitzer (Yugoslav marking: M.1936), their exact number is known: 48 pieces.

Austro-Hungarian 8cm M.05/08 gun was a field gun. (Yugoslav marking “80 mm. M. 5/8” ) Original version, M.05, was a pure field gun. It was modified in 1908 for mountain transport – wheelbase was somewhat shortened (to be maneuvered thru narrow gaps), the gun could be dismounted into three loads and some minor items redesigned to ease the dismounting. This way M.05/08 model gained some attributes of mountain gun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_cm_FK_M._5
Still, these was not a “pack” gun, to be carried over a rough terrain, as “real” mountain gun – each of three assemblies were towed by two horses, on carts (barrel, recoil mechanism) or its own wheels (mount). Gun was provided with two caissons, smaller one (Geschützprotze) traveled with gun over “regular” roads (33 rounds) and has seating for 2 crew (as gun itself). Larger one (Batteriemunitionswagen - 60 rounds) always traveled as separate item in battery munitions platoon.
http://www.weltkriege.at/Artillerie/Kan ... noneM5.htm

[YAN]

Thanks Edge, I forgot to add the 105mm Schneider M.1913 Gun totals (sorry). I seen the other day that the Polish 75mm Wz. 02/26 & 75mm Wz. 97 could fire a AP shell called the Wz.10, all I have on it is that it could penetraite 60mm of armour, have you got any more data on it.
Regards Yan.

[Dili]

8cm M.05/08 gun

So was this a Skoda or an AZF Wien? You point to a Skoda in wiki link.

[The Edge]

Thanks Edge, I forgot to add the 105mm Schneider M.1913 Gun totals (sorry). I seen the other day that the Polish 75mm Wz. 02/26 & 75mm Wz. 97 could fire a AP shell called the Wz.10, all I have on it is that it could penetraite 60mm of armour, have you got any more data on it.
Regards Yan.

No exact number for Schneider L 13 S found - I callculated it to around 60 pcs.

French 75mm round was lebelled "Mle 10", so I guess Polish Wz. 10 it is the same round. No AP rounds were reported for use with Yugoslav Schneider M.12 guns (1935 data).

David Lehmann posted following data for 75mm Mle 1910M round (used in Mle 1897 field gun).

Obus de rupture Mle1910M (APHE)
Caliber : 75x350R mm
Weight of projectile : 6.400 kg (90g explosive)
Length of projectile : 239.5mm
V° = 580 m/s
Practical AT range : 800-1000m
Penetration : 71.5mm /0° at 100m and 61.5mm /0° at 500m

[The Edge]

8cm M.05/08 gun

So was this a Skoda or an AZF Wien? You point to a Skoda in wiki link.

I always take a great care not to use "Skoda" with M.05 and M.05/08 guns. (Designed by AZF Wien state arsenal)
Wiki link has obvious mistake - I haven't noticed it at first glance.

[YAN]

Thanks Edge, Yan.

[YAN]

Edge, was the 7.5 cm vzor 37 actually used by the Czech army or did it came to late before the German invasion, did it have a AP round, I am sure the Finnish version of this weapon had, but sadly I have data on its performance over 500m.
Yan.

[Dili]

I always take a great care not to use "Skoda" with M.05 and M.05/08 guns. (Designed by AZF Wien state arsenal)
Wiki link has obvious mistake - I haven't noticed it at first glance.

Italians also call the 77/28 as Skoda. Is this a widespread mistake or there is more to this?

Edit:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Böhler_8_cm_Vz._1905
I have checked the Italian wiki and it says it was build by Böhler and later variants by Skoda.

Costruito dalla Böhler come Feldkanone 8 cm M. 5[1] per l'Imperial regio Esercito austro-ungarico ed impiegato nella prima guerra mondiale venne utilizzato dopo la prima guerra mondiale da tutti gli stati già appartenenti all'impero austro-ungarico e dall'Italia come preda bellica[1]. Le successive varianti come la M. 5/8 furono sviluppate dalla Skoda.

Here appears a Böhler M5/8
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obice ... critte.JPG

[YAN]

I am still trying to figure out the data on the 4.7cm PUV Vz.36 anti-tank gun, was it adopted by the army and used by the infantry ?, and how many was actually supplied to the Czech army, things get even more confusing when I also read that thet made a Vz.37 & Vz.38 in the same calibre, was this the same weapon and were they only used in fortifications, I dont even know if they were made for Horse drawn or motorised modes.
Thanks for any help, Yan.

[The Edge]

Edge, was the 7.5 cm vzor 37 actually used by the Czech army or did it came to late before the German invasion, did it have a AP round, I am sure the Finnish version of this weapon had, but sadly I have data on its performance over 500m.
Yan.

Yugoslavia bought second-hand vz.37 guns from Germany (40 pcs) since nothing else was available (as Italy & Finland did). These guns were ex-Czechoslovak army guns. Since Yugoslavs received only 100 rounds per gun, I'm very much sure that AP ammo were not included.
I'm not sure about the origins of Finnish AT ammo, but I suspect that its shells were imported from Sweden. (German AP rounds had 6.8kg weight)