Argentina artillery Id.

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. According to photocaption the image was taken in Buenos Aires. Can anyone identify these guns? In the image only barrel trailers.

Thanks in advance. Regards Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

After searching information about the Argentinean artillery, I have come to the conclusion that the photo shows a
155mm Schneider Mod. 1928 howitzer barrel trailer. I found this other picture on the net.


I'm surprised of the archaic appearance of this model of 1928.
This is a howitzer which was divided into two loads for transport as it seems. The Schneider company had designed during World War I the 155mm Model 1917 of the same caliber that was horsedrawn transported on a single load.

Have anyone more information about this gun? characteristics, images,etc.

Regards Sturm78

[The Edge]

I'm surprised of the archaic appearance of this model of 1928.

Customer request? :roll:

Modernized later. (Motor-towing in one piece)

[Manuferey]

I found some interesting information and pictures of this gun here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_1 ... te_note-14

"The Argentine Army used a variant of this gun, locally called Obús calibre 155 mm L 15 modelo 1928 Schneider. Some of them were still used for training in the 1980's at the Colegio Militar de la Nación."

This article then provides 2 interesting links:

One mentions "Obús calibre 155 mm L 15 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 6,6 Km"
http://www.artilleria.ejercito.mil.ar/historia/20.htm

The other link displays several pictures of the gun with modernized pneumatic tires à Rosario "en el monumento a la Bandera" including the nameplate:
http://www.saorbats.com.ar/gallery2/v/a ... neider155/

Emmanuel

[Sturm78]

Thank you very much for your answers, The Edge and Emmanuel.

Now, I'm not sure my second photo shows the same model of weapon. My second photo does not show the upper stair near the breech.

According to the images from links the design was split trail. Or this was after its modernization??
6.6km was a very poor range!! 155mm Mle 1917 Schneider: 11.9km

Have anyone more wartime pictures (30s or 40s) of this howitzer?

I too would be interested in getting more information and/or pictures about these weapons:

Cañón calibre 105 mm L 30,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 15 Km
Cañón calibre 105 mm L 17,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 9 Km
Cañón calibre 75 mm L 18,6 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 8,8/10 Km
Obús calibre 105 mm L 12,4 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 7,9 Km
Cañón calibre 155 mm L 30,8 modelo 1929 Schneider, alcance 17,5Km

Specifications, quantity,...

Regards Sturm78

[The Edge]

Check this out:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... /Argentina

[Manuferey]

Cañón calibre 105 mm L 30,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 15 Km:
Possibly a derivative of Canon de 105 Mle 1925/27 ordered by Greece ?

Cañón calibre 105 mm L 17,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 9 Km:
Based on the picture in network54, it looks like a precursor of the Canon de 105 mm Court Mle 1934 (length: L/20).

Cañón calibre 75 mm L 18,6 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 8,8/10 Km
Canon de 75 mm de montagne Mle 1928 (L/19) = mountain gun

Obús calibre 105 mm L 12,4 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 7,9 Km
Possibly canon de 105 mm Court de montagne Mle 1928 = mountain gun

Emmanuel

[The Edge]

YES in all four cases - see also:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... rs+in+rows

The most puzzling one (see photos below) for me is Canon M29 Cal. 155mm L/30,6 (still in Argentinian arty reserve, modernized form). I believe this is post WWI development, based on 155mm Mle 17L canon, made solely for export (Since French Army used Mle 16 GPF as standard long gun).

Another interestiong one is Cavalry howitzer 105mm - modified mountain howitzer model with different carriage (no pack capability). Sadly - no photo.

[Manuferey]

I believe this is post WWI development, based on 155mm Mle 17L canon, made solely for export (Since French Army used Mle 16 GPF as standard long gun).

The French Army still used the 155 mm Long Mle 1917 and Mle 1918 Schneider extensively alongside the 155 GPF in 1940.

The breach of the Mle 1929 bears some resemblance with the breach of the 155 mm Long Mle 1918 Schneider:



Emmanuel

[Sturm78]

Thank you very much for your answers, The Edge and Emmanuel.

It's a pity not to have old photographs of this weapons

Regards sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Larry Hayward posted this very interesting image in Vehicle identity requests thread.
See http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... start=2490

I think the barrel trailers are 15cm Schneider M1929 L30,8. What is your opinion??

Regards Sturm78

[The Edge]

Agree.

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found these two images on http://www.militariarg.com and I have some doubts. It is not a question strictly about artillery but..... :roll:

The first image shows a sound locator of German origin but on a non standard trailer. Why the germans used other trailer for the export model of his sound locator? Spain also bought this model of sound locator according to the book "Flak artillery of the Legion Condor", and Yugoslavia (See http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 47&start=0)

The second image shows a AA rangefinder. I think this equipment would be associated with the 76.2mm Skoda M1928 AA gun. Does somebody know the origin country of this equipment? I think not german origin. Czechoslovakia perhaps??

Regards Sturm78

PD: the image posted by me on 04 Feb 2010 shows a Krupp 130mm M1902

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

About my second image posted on 18 Aug 2010, I think Levallois rangefinder of french origin.
Any idea about the sound locator trailer? The same is true for the searchlight trailers? Non standard Sd.Ah.104 trailers

Can somebody help me with this gun?

Images from LIFE
Sturm78

[Peter H]

Argentinian army November 1941

From ebay,seller dixie_auctions