Argentina artillery Id.

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Argentinian 105 mm guns

Post by ain92 » 28 Mar 2013 14:34

Hello all.
Sturm78 wrote: Cañón calibre 105 mm L 30,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 15 Km
Cañón calibre 105 mm L 17,8 modelo 1928 Schneider, alcance 9 Km
Here're some pictures from militariarg.
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This is L/17.8, I don't see similarities with Canon C Mle 34.
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These are old photos of L30.8. And the lower ones are made in Florencio Varela, a suburb (?) of Buenos Aires. The monument is dedicated to Falkland War, the gun may be a replica.
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Also I found at zonamilitar some information about Cañón Schneider de Caballería de 105mm L 12,4 Modelo Argentino 1928:
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Cañón Schneider de Campaña de 105mm L 17,8 Modelo Argentino 1928:
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Cañón Schneider de Campaña de 105mm L 30,8 Modelo Argentino 1928:
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Could anyone please translate the text from Spanish? It seems to be a lot of information.
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Argentinian 105 mm guns, P.S.

Post by ain92 » 31 Mar 2013 21:41

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Here're pictures of Turkish 105 mm gun similar to L/17.8: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=11
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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Sturm78 » 10 Apr 2013 09:16

Hi all,

I have some doubts about these images: I think 105mm Schneider L30.8 gun barrel trailers but I am not sure.

ain92 identified the first image as a 105mm Schneider M1928 L17.8 howitzer but I think this howitzer was transported in a only load, not in two different loads.

In http://www.militariarg.com there are this list of argentinean artillery in 105mm calibre:

105mm L12,4 M1928 Howitzer Montagne/Field Gun (Schneider). Is this the weapon designated by ain92 as Cañon Schneider de caballería M1928 L12.4 ?? :? :?

105mm L17.8 M1928 Field Gun (Schneider). See ain92 first image

105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider). Any idea ???? :? :?

105mm L30 M1928 (Schneider). See ain92 images

Images from http://www.militariarg.com
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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by ain92 » 11 Apr 2013 17:25

Sturm78 wrote: I have some doubts about these images: I think 105mm Schneider L30.8 gun barrel trailers but I am not sure.

ain92 identified the first image as a 105mm Schneider M1928 L17.8 howitzer but I think this howitzer was transported in a only load, not in two different loads.
What do you mean? Second image in my post (the same is first in yours) is labeled as L30.8, I didn't find an image of L17.8 in travelling position.
Sturm78 wrote: In http://www.militariarg.com there are this list of argentinean artillery in 105mm calibre:
105mm L12,4 M1928 Howitzer Montagne/Field Gun (Schneider). Is this the weapon designated by ain92 as Cañon Schneider de caballería M1928 L12.4 ?? :? :?

105mm L17.8 M1928 Field Gun (Schneider). See ain92 first image

105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider). Any idea ???? :? :?

105mm L30 M1928 (Schneider). See ain92 images
First of all, I haven't designate any of these pieces, but just copied it from zonamilitar forums. (Could you please translate the most important information from Spanish?)
Second, I'm sure that mountain howitzer is almost ideal for horse artillery use.
Third, I can't understandt how a field gun can have a shorter barrel than a howitzer.
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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Sturm78 » 15 Apr 2013 14:18

Hi all,

I've been studying the information from zonamilitar fórums.

First: No mention of any 105mm L18.6 M1928 Howitzer (Schneider), so I came to the conclusion that this weapon does not exist.

Second: As for the 105mm L12,4 M1928 Cañón Schneider de Caballería (cavalry gun) , I still do not understand its usefulness :? , as the Argentineans bought on one hand the 105mm M1928 L12,4 (Schneider) mountain howitzer and by the other, the 105mm M1928 L17,8 field gun.

Here a list:

75mm M1928 L18,6 mountain gun
105mm M1928 L12.4 mountain howitzer
105mm M1928 L12.4 cavalry gun ( I think it would be rather would be a howitzer )
105mm M1928 L17,8 field gun ( I think it could also be classified as a howitzer )
105mm M1928 L30,8 field gun
155mm M1928 L15 howitzer
155mm M1928 or M1929 :? L30,8 heavy gun

Any correction or aditional information will be wellcome

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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Sturm78 » 25 Apr 2013 22:36

Hi all,

Could be these wagons ammunition limbers for the 155mm Schneider M1928 L15 howitzers or for the 105mm M1928 L30.8 field guns? :? :idea:
The wheels are very similar to those of the pieces of artillery

Image from http://www.militariarg.com

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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by ain92 » 18 Nov 2013 18:56

Hello, Sturm78.

I can't help you with the caissons, but can comment the topic of light 105 mm howitzers. As I can see, the cradle of cavalry "gun", of mountain "gun" and of Spanish/Greek M1919 are very similar, so we can assume high extent of standartisation, and as long as the length of the barrel is equal we can suppose that the projectiles, the charges and the firing tables were the same. However, for minimal confidence we need more data for the artillery pieces.
As for the L17.8, you were certainly right about its designation! I noticed this image, probably marking on a trail of http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/ ... 6_orig.jpg:
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As one can see it says "Obús", not the "Cañón"!

This source also claims existence of "Obús Schneider 105 mm Modelo L 15".

On militariarg.com there's an unsigned image, isn't it 105 mm L30.8?
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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Nov 2013 23:43

Thank you, Ilya

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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 22 Nov 2013 12:04

As a general rule, Latin American countries bought Krupp field artillery before WWI, but French artillery between the wars. In the late 1930s many again showed interest in German artillery, but not much was delivered before WWII broke out.

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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by ain92 » 07 Jul 2014 16:02

Here're several photos of artillery acquired by Argentina from Schneider archives (original title of the album was "Présentation de différents matériels d'artillerie au polygone d'Harfleur" – "Presentation of different artillery pieces on the Harfleur proving ground", unfortunately no further info is provided and the "circa 1914" date is obviously far from reality, but the quality of photos allow to identify the artillery pieces with confidence). The 26-page album is worth downloading (I attached only few teasers), one can get it from http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/do ... 009-09.pdf
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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Sturm78 » 08 Jul 2014 09:41

Thank you very much for sharing, Ilya. :)

Here, an image (from EBay) of 40mm Bofors guns. According to photocaption in Argentinean service.
Does anyone know when these guns were purchased by Argentina? During WW2 or postwar ??

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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Clive Mortimore » 12 Jul 2014 13:29

ain92 wrote:Here're several photos of artillery acquired by Argentina from Schneider archives (original title of the album was "Présentation de différents matériels d'artillerie au polygone d'Harfleur" – "Presentation of different artillery pieces on the Harfleur proving ground", unfortunately no further info is provided and the "circa 1914" date is obviously far from reality, but the quality of photos allow to identify the artillery pieces with confidence). The 26-page album is worth downloading (I attached only few teasers), one can get it from http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/do ... 009-09.pdf
Hi Ain92

The link does not seem to be workinbg at the moment. It looks like it could be a very useful document.

Yours

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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by ain92 » 15 Jul 2014 13:28

Clive Mortimore wrote:
ain92 wrote:Here're several photos of artillery acquired by Argentina from Schneider archives (original title of the album was "Présentation de différents matériels d'artillerie au polygone d'Harfleur" – "Presentation of different artillery pieces on the Harfleur proving ground", unfortunately no further info is provided and the "circa 1914" date is obviously far from reality, but the quality of photos allow to identify the artillery pieces with confidence). The 26-page album is worth downloading (I attached only few teasers), one can get it from http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/do ... 009-09.pdf
Hi Ain92

The link does not seem to be workinbg at the moment. It looks like it could be a very useful document.

Yours

Clive
Hello, Clive.
Unfortunately all the online version of the Schneider Archives (http://octant.u-bourgogne.fr/portail/documentsafb///) is down now. So I uploaded 50+ artillery-related documents from my HDD to Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing
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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Clive Mortimore » 16 Jul 2014 00:19

Thank you Ilya

What a wonderfull collection of photos. Can I suggest that the link be put on the Fortification and Artillery section, I am sure many will like to see them.

Page bookmarked.

Thanks again

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Re: Argentina artillery Id.

Post by Sturm78 » 15 Nov 2014 10:15

Hi all,

Another image of an 40mm Bofors gun from http://www.militariarg.com
Does anyone know when these guns were purchased by Argentina? During WW2 or postwar ??

On the other hand, Does anyone know the exact quantities of Schneider guns bought by Argentina by models and delivery dates ??

75mm Schneider M1928 L18,6 mountain gun
105mm Schneider M1928 L12,4 mountain howitzer
105mm Schneider M1928 L12,4 cavalry gun
105mm Schneider M1928 L17,8 howitzer
105mm Schneider M1928 L30,8 field gun
155mm Schneider M1928 L15 howitzer
155mm Schneider M1928 L30,8 heavy gun
220mm Schneider M1928 L10,8 heavy howitzer


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