Why Irish soldiers who fought Hitler hide their medals

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Re: Why Irish soldiers who fought Hitler hide their medals

Post by LineDoggie » 03 Nov 2022 02:46

Eireneutral wrote:
15 Jun 2012 00:36
They deserted for personal gain had they been members of the British army during ww1 or even ww2 they would have been executed
No British Soldier was executed in WW2 for desertion. Soldiers were executed for other offences like murder and treason

John Amery was shot for treason being a leader of the BFC

Desertion was removed as a capital punishment in 1938

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/book ... glass.html
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Re: Why Irish soldiers who fought Hitler hide their medals

Post by ROLAND1369 » 05 Nov 2022 00:01

Another reason that some of the Irish soldiers were not treated well was that a number of them deserted from the Irish military to join the British Army and thus were considered criminals. Due to the recent civil war the Irish would likely have considered an irish soldier in the british army in much the same way they considered informers during that conflict. Bitter experiences during civil wars are not forgotten easily.

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Re: Why Irish soldiers who fought Hitler hide their medals

Post by gebhk » 09 Nov 2022 12:54

Perhaps I don't understand this correctly, but no army takes kindly to its soldiers deserting. For obvious reasons, it is a criminal offece in every military law under the sun, I would think. Why would that surprise us in this case?

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Re: Why Irish soldiers who fought Hitler hide their medals

Post by Sheldrake » 11 Nov 2022 11:59

The Irish contribution to the Allied cause is often overlooked, even, indeed especially, in Britain. Much of industrial Britain was built with Irish labour - the navigators who dug the canals and built the railways. Nothing about the Irish in the Museum of London.

Ireland was a source of labour for the wartime British economy, in particular the massive civil engineering projects such as the construction of airfields, the Mulberry harbours, new munitions factories etc.

There is even a song about it.

"Twas in the year of 'thirty-nine when the sky was full of lead
When Hitler was heading for Poland, and Paddy for Holyhead."

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Re: Why Irish soldiers who fought Hitler hide their medals

Post by Sid Guttridge » 13 Nov 2022 23:56

Hi Sheldrake,

You post that, "The Irish contribution to the Allied cause is often overlooked, even, indeed especially, in Britain."

I would suggest the reverse. The only place outside Ireland where it is known about at all is the UK. The activities of the remaining Irish regiments is fully covered in military histories. It is also widely known that some 60,000 Irishmen volunteered for the British armed services. The Irish civilian contribution by way of labour has been largely subsumed in the wider British civilian war effort but was not obviously distinctive from it.

There is, of course, another side. Ireland's neutrality considerably complicated the Battle of the Atlantic for the Allies.

One probably has to distinguish the Irish State, which was not particularly contributory to the Allied cause, and Irish people, who often were.

Cheers,

Sid.

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