Swiss artillery in WW2

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Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Dec 2012 16:00

Hi all,

I am looking for information and/or images about the 20mm Flab.kan.38 swiss AA gun.

Manufacturer, specifications, number manufactured, .....

These are the only three images that I have could found about this rare gun.
The guns of these three images seem to have a different mount each. :?

Why the Swiss Army adopted this gun next to 20mm Oerlikon AA gun? :?
Which was the designation of 20mm Oerlikon in Swiss Army: Flab.Kan.37 or Flab.Kan.38 ? :?

Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Dec 2012 19:47

Which was the designation of 20mm Oerlikon in Swiss Army: Flab.Kan.37 or Flab.Kan.38 ?
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... CGIQ7gEwCQ
Before the Second World War, in 1937, acquired the 363 Switzerland Oerlikon cannons and set these as 20mm Flab Kan Oe 37 with 15-round box magazines on one infantry guns.
However, the same paragrph goes on to say -
After the replacement of the arms factory of + Bern + produced 20 mm Flab Kan 38 and 20 mm Hispano Flab Kan 43/44 , a gas operated at a much higher rate of fire, it was used for civil works security.
So - the "Bern factory" is...? Or does that mean the 38 just followed the 37 as a replacement from the same factory?

THIS -

Image

...is captioned as the Oerlikon 20mm weapon here - http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... stung.html Seems quite different from the weapon above.
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Ironmachine » 13 Dec 2012 20:01

Some specifications:
Manufacturer: W + F (Waffenfabrik Bern)
Range, m: 2,000
Weight, kg: 380
Vo, m/s: 1,010
Ammo: belt
Rounds/min: 400
Data taken from http://www.schweiz1940.ch/common-en/swi ... t/flab.htm
This webpage also gives the designation 20 mm Flab Kan 37 for the Oerlikon gun.

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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Marcus » 13 Dec 2012 20:06

Please remember to include the source of the images posted, thanks.

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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by phylo_roadking » 13 Dec 2012 20:13

So...

20mm Flab.Kan 37 = Oerlikon

20mm Flab.Kan 38 = Waffenfabrik Bern
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Ironmachine » 13 Dec 2012 20:15

More specifications, this time from http://waffen.festung-oberland.ch/style ... affen.html (The weight and the range are slightly different from the other source)
20mm Flabkanone 38
Kaliber: 20 mm
Hersteller: Waffenfabrik Bern/Waffenfabrik Solothurn
Fabrikation: 1939-47
Lafette: Sockel, verschraubbar
Rohr: 1830 mm
Verschluss: Rückstosslader
Gewicht: 400 kg fahrbereit
Bedienung: 5 Mann
Kadenz: 400 Schuss/min
Reichweite: 1500 m
There is also a photo of a surviving example in that page.

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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Dec 2012 14:14

Marcus wrote
Please remember to include the source of the images posted, thanks.

Opppss :oops:

The source of my images :
http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http ... m=1&itbs=1

http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http ... m=1&itbs=1

Thank you for your help, Ironmachine.

I think your image was taken in 1970s years, not wartime.
Any adittional wartime image of this gun will be wellcome.

It seems that 20mm Flab.Kan.38 had a mount with three legs, but the gun of my second image seems to have a pedestal mount. :?

This gun also seems to use a high capacity box-magazine.
Does anyone know the capacity of this magazine? I guess this would give to this gun a great actual firing rate.

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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Dec 2012 13:52

Hi all,

I am looking for wartime images of 10.5cm Hb 42 (Bofors) swiss howitzer

I found this image (1) here ( http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayim ... pos=-30379 ) identified as a 10.5cm Hb 42 howitzer , but I think this is a different weapon: box trail, very rare wheels, circular platform,.... 8O :?

Any idea?

This is the only wartime image (2) I have could find of a Hb 42:

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Ironmachine » 18 Dec 2012 18:38

The gun in the first photo (the one with box trail, very rare wheels, circular platform) is indeed a 10,5 cm Hb 42 L 22. The difference is due to it being a prototype fitted with a experimental device to rotate on a fixed position. And in fact it is a wartime photo, having been taken in december 1944:
gun.JPG
The source is http://www.armeemuseum.ch/uploads/media ... f_2-03.pdf, the information bulletin of the Swiss Army Museum.
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PS: many thanks to forum member iffig for originally posting this photo and its source in The official AHF Allied & Neutral Armies quiz thread.
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Dec 2012 20:16

Thank you very much for your help, Ironmachine.

Do you have any other wartime image of a standard 10.5cm Hb 42 ??

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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Ironmachine » 18 Dec 2012 21:40

No, can't help you with that.
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Jan 2013 15:57

Hi all,

Two images of 15cm sch Hb 42 (Bofors) swiss howitzer

Are these his original wheels or this is a modernized postwar version?
Does anyone know how many were manufactured?

Any other wartime image is welcome
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Alp Guard » 20 Oct 2013 13:39

Ironmachine wrote:Another photo:
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From http://amicale-dca.ch/zwischen_den_wk_i_und_ii.htm
This Picture must be from the 1970's. look at the helmets. (I got one of these :wink: )

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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2

Post by Ironmachine » 20 Oct 2013 16:19

Yes. If you had followed the link I provided, you would have found that the photo caption was: "Die 20 mm Flab Kan 38 W+F im Einsatz (hier in den 70er Jahren im Felddienst der Flab RS 46)."

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