Danish cruiser design 1936-1938

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Danish cruiser design 1936-1938

Post by Motorkingpus » 07 Sep 2015 17:42

Hi,

I've recently read a post on a gaming forum dedicated to helping modders. And I saw this post, talking about 2 danish cruiser designs:
in 1936 and 1938 two small cruiser designs were emerged but none finalized. They were designed by the Naval Dockyard in Copenhagen.
PG 225 (1936): 84.5m, 5x1 120mm Guns, 2x2 450mm Torpedoes 1 aircraft no armour
PG 237 (1938): 96m, 2x2 150mm Guns, 1x2 450mm Torpedoes 25mm Deck armour. Both carried 40mm AA guns as well
I've never been able to find any information on this. So I'm asking if anybody else knows anything about this, or is it nothing more than a big lie?

Link to thread: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/in ... t-12613045

Thanks for your time.

-Tobias

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Re: Danish cruiser design 1936-1938

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Re: Danish cruiser design 1936-1938

Post by Takao » 08 Sep 2015 02:21

Tzoli goes into far more detail about those designs here:
http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.p ... e-designs/
I believe this book was his source.
http://www.worldcat.org/title/vore-pans ... ht=edition

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Re: Danish cruiser design 1936-1938

Post by genstab » 06 Feb 2016 13:14

A training cruiser of 2500 tons and only 277 feet long? The US Fletcher class destroyers, the US mass wartime design, were 2200 tons and 376 feet long.
To put 6-inch guns on a ship this size is a waste- the cadets should train on destroyer size guns as Denmark would mainly have a destroyer navy, and as it would have been smaller than a destroyer it's hard to see how it would have the room to be a training ship. Just my opinion. Comments?

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Re: Danish cruiser design 1936-1938

Post by Silberkopf » 15 Aug 2018 20:42

I haven't heard of the training cruiser design before, but I know there was a never funded proposal in the 1930s for a coastal battleship much like the Finnish designs with 2x2 25 cm guns.

Anyway the idea behind the "coastal" design was a ship big enough to protect the minefields from sweeping but not bigger than to have a very shallow draught. This usually meant ships of a few thousand tons but with protection to withstand at least light cruiser fire and itself being armed to fight cruisers. Subs, torpedoboats and not at least mines were the main offensive weapons. In WWI there was substantial coastal artillery, especially in Oeresund, up to 14".

The concept never really was tested in battle, but forcing your way through mined Danish straits would have been quite a risky business in WWI or WWII. Something like Dardanelles in cold water.

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Re: Danish cruiser design 1936-1938

Post by Waleed Y. Majeed » 16 Aug 2018 17:39

Found some info and drawings on the projects PG 225 and PG 226 (1936). PG 237 (1938) and PG 267 (1941) are also mentioned. Go to page 181 (epilog) in the following link. Sorry to the non danish readers as it's only in danish. It's a 1971 publication written by kommandørkaptajn R. Steen Steensen.
http://www.marinehist.dk/MHS-udgivelser/MHS11.pdf

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