Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

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Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by KonTim » 01 Nov 2023 01:15

G.Britain

-1-2 "big gun cruisers"
-1-3 flotilla leaders destroyers
-12 fleet destroyers "G" class
-2 "S" class submarines

During the war the prospect of the transfer of HMS York heavy cruiser to Royal Hellenic Navy was emerged.

Italy

-4 Freccia class destroyers

USA

-2 Omaha class scout cruisers

Germany

-2 submarines of unknown class

Modernization plans of Pisa-class armored cruiser "G.Averoff" were also take place.

Any more info???

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by OpanaPointer » 01 Nov 2023 01:24

Two old USN battleships were sunk early on when the Greeks got in the way of the Nazis, yes?

Ah! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_battleship_Kilkis
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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by KonTim » 07 Nov 2023 19:11

OpanaPointer wrote:
01 Nov 2023 01:24
Two old USN battleships were sunk early on when the Greeks got in the way of the Nazis, yes?

Ah! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_battleship_Kilkis
These were pre-WWI acquisitions, planned to counter Turkish naval expansion program.

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by OpanaPointer » 07 Nov 2023 21:04

Yeah, I knew that. Marshall Cavendish has a picture of both sunk side-by-side at the pier.
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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by ROLAND1369 » 10 Nov 2023 16:14

Just to correct the record they were not moored side by side but at different areas of the harbor with a considerable distance between. The Kilkis was still armed while the Lemnos had been disarmed prior to the war. The Lemnos' 12 inch main battery turrets, 2 of her 8 inch secondary turrets and 7 and 3 inch guns mounted ashore as coastal defense batteries.

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by Setsurinvich » 06 Jan 2024 05:53

How does Greece even afford these kinds of naval purchases?

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by daveshoup2MarDiv » 07 Jan 2024 19:14

Setsurinvich wrote:
06 Jan 2024 05:53
How does Greece even afford these kinds of naval purchases?
That's a good question. Even in peacetime, they could not afford to have Salamis finished, even though the hull and machinery were complete and at least two-thirds of the planned main battery was still available (despite being used by the RN for monitors in WW I). Granted, the design was not exactly cutting edge in the 1920s, but neither was that of the only likely enemy...

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by Setsurinvich » 07 Jan 2024 19:18

You mean Turkey? I am pretty sure the Yavuz Selim was superior to the predreadnought ships.

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by daveshoup2MarDiv » 07 Jan 2024 21:23

Setsurinvich wrote:
07 Jan 2024 19:18
You mean Turkey? I am pretty sure the Yavuz Selim was superior to the predreadnought ships.
Yes, and agree re Kilkis and Lemnos (although 2-1 is a thing; the Russians used their predreadnoughts against Yavuz relatively effectively in WW I, after all); but I was suggesting a completed Salamis, even with just three main battery turrets, would have been a useful ship for the Greeks.

Other than the fact they could not afford her, hence the initial response to the posts above.

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by Setsurinvich » 08 Jan 2024 04:45

I dont think Greece as a country had a very good credit rating at this time, the country was known for going bankrupt even back then so I doubt too many countries would let them borrow money to buy warships on credit. Still what were they thinking? Did they even plan on paying back the money for those ships eventually?

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Re: Planned acquisitions of Greek Navy pre and during ww2

Post by daveshoup2MarDiv » 09 Jan 2024 04:32

Setsurinvich wrote:
08 Jan 2024 04:45
I dont think Greece as a country had a very good credit rating at this time, the country was known for going bankrupt even back then so I doubt too many countries would let them borrow money to buy warships on credit. Still what were they thinking? Did they even plan on paying back the money for those ships eventually?
They paid cash for Kilkis and Lemnos, AIUI, which was enough to fund most of new superdreadnought for the USN.

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