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FAT Vs FAT?

Post by Aufklarung » 07 Jun 2005 14:11

Oracle

You're saying the original FAT's were different and earlier than what the name later sometimes became attached to;ie the "Quad"?

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Correct!

Post by Oracle » 07 Jun 2005 16:04

The Morris-Commercial CDSW 6 x 4 FAT went into production in 1934-5 and by 1938 was deemed not quite obsolete but 'not fir for thr original purpose' let's say. The chassis was then used as a 40 mm Bofors Tractor. In 1938 MCC prototyped two C.S.8T/AWD 4 x 4 tractors that could pull a bew design 25-pounder gun and limber as well as the CDSW...but a saving on an axle meant saving on tyres and money and afforded better braking. MCC had as you know studied best French [Latil], Austrian [Steyr etc.] and Czech [Tatra] multi-drive vehicles in the 1935-6 period and went from there although the MCC 6 x4 design was based I believe on a Twenties Renault design!

So 'Quad' dates to 1936 initially but as regards official acceptance to 1937-8 with the 'Quad Ant', MCC Q Series [Quad], and the Commer Spider.

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Post by Michael Emrys » 08 Jun 2005 13:19

Gee, I'm learning things I never knew before about British gun tractors. :)

Keeping to that same vein, what was the nickname of the captured Quad that Rommel used in North Africa as his command vehicle? Either the German or English spelling will do, but for extra credit give both.

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Post by Andreas » 08 Jun 2005 13:29

Mammut (German)

Mammoth (English)

?

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Post by David W » 08 Jun 2005 13:44

Keeping to that same vein, what was the nickname of the captured Quad that Rommel used in North Africa as his command vehicle? Either the German or English spelling will do, but for extra credit give both.
Only it wasn't a Quad, it was a Dorchester ACV. (Not wishing to sound pedantic, but for the sake of accuracy) :)

Cheers Dave. :D

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Dorchester

Post by Oracle » 08 Jun 2005 14:04

http://www.geocities.com/firefly1002000/mammuts.html

relates to the AEC Dorchesters.

As regards Quads, etc. read my magazine articles in VINTAGE ROADSCENE magazine and my future book!

Congrats by the way to David W and Andreas!

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Post by Andreas » 08 Jun 2005 14:14

Hi Oracle

Thanks for the link. While the tidyness of changing the number plates (can't lead a campaign from a vehicle with the wrong number plate!) appeals to my German mind, I was wondering about the comment on the site about the fuel conversion:
"Moritz" and "Max" had their diesel engines modified to run on German tank fuel, which was a somewhat thicker consistency. They were also fitted with German number plates.
I thought German tanks ran on petrol, and that should have a less thick consistency than Diesel? :?

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Post by Andreas » 10 Jun 2005 09:34

So, who gets to do the next question?

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Post by David W » 10 Jun 2005 10:04

Not me. I only passed a comment.

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Post by Andreas » 10 Jun 2005 10:18

Ah well, in order to get this thing moving again.

What happened on a Dorset beach in April 1944?

Bonus points for:

a) Naming the location
b) Naming the operation
c) Identifying units involved on both sides
d) Naming a German unit participating that is currently being restored

All the best

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Post by David W » 10 Jun 2005 10:37

Was it the mock Normandy landings on Studland beach?

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Post by Andreas » 10 Jun 2005 10:39

Did that involve German units? ;)

I was thinking of something different.

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Two thoughts

Post by Oracle » 10 Jun 2005 10:42

I knew of # 2 but not # 1. I suggest therefore the following:

1. EXERCISE SMASH
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/lsm/dhmg/pear-02.html
2. EXERCISE TIGER Apri, 28 1944 but although this started in Lyme Bay, which is Dorset, the action tookm place around Slapton Sands, Deven.
http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/slapton.html
http://www.slapton.org/indextiger.htm

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Post by Andreas » 10 Jun 2005 10:49

My mistake - obviously I need to brush up on the geography of south-west England. Too busy visiting the pubs there to notice the county borders.

I meant No.2, Exercise TIGER.

Over to you Oracle.

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Post by David W » 10 Jun 2005 10:52

I too thought about operation Tiger, but dismissed it as it was in Lyme Bay & Slapton sands. This however is not a problem. I've made much worse forum blunders than that myself.

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