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Re: Czech / German fights 1938/1939

Post by Rian » 28 Jan 2009 00:13

Your opinion is same with my opinion. If is lot publications about fight in Frydek where was klled probably 18 Wehrmacht soldiers - than must be lot of publications about ambush with 71 killed Wehrmacht soldiers. But is any... Than - this must be wrong information.

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Re: Czech / German fights 1938/1939

Post by Rian » 17 Apr 2021 01:53

Very old topic, but... Wikipedia has added a lot to this story. Many descriptions of the clashes of the "undeclared Czechoslovak-German war" from September 1938 on page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetende ... slovak_War

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Re: Czech / German fights 1938/1939

Post by Sid Guttridge » 17 Apr 2021 07:06

Hi Rian,

An interesting link, but unfortunately it only gives the Freikorps' own exaggerated estimate of Czechoslovak casualties.

The actual Czechoslovak uniformed losses from the outbreak of the uprising on 13 September to the Munich Agreement on 30 September were 52 dead and 115 wounded. Most of these were police, frontier guards and customs officials. (This may also include accidental deaths during the Czechoslovak mobilisation.)

The Czechoslovak Army succeeded in suppressing the Freikorps inside the country with little cost to itself. Until the Munich Agreement their security forces were in control of the situation internally. The real problems came from Freikorps members based over the border in Germany.

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Re: Czech / German fights 1938/1939

Post by Rian » 19 Apr 2021 01:13

The last clashes took place in October 1938 - after Munich:

- 1st October: more clashes with SdFK near Králík and Staré Město pod Sněžníkem
- 2nd October: the fight of the SOS patrol at Staré Hamry; at early morning was gun battle between Czech and German soldiers at Český Krumlov. Czechs also used in this fight armored train which stand on the station.
- 4th October: SdFK shootings in Opava region
- 9th October: SdFK attack on Lichkov; capture of the SOS platoon; attack on Mladkov


And very last Czech - German fight from 1938/39 - Battle of Čajánek's barracks in Mistek (together part of Frydek-Mistek city) - at 14th March 1939 (few german soldiers killed, 2 Czech soldiers wounded).

But it was really only fight in 1939?? In english wiki (i know... "wikipedia"... this is not very good source) is sentence:
"Together with a clash which allegedly took place at Moravská Třebová, this was the only known Czechoslovak active resistance to the German Army during the occupation of Bohemia and Moravia in March 1939."

"clash at Moravská Třebová"?? What story with this clash??

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Re: Czech / German fights 1938/1939

Post by Cekekb » 20 Apr 2021 14:21

Rian wrote:
19 Apr 2021 01:13


But it was really only fight in 1939?? In english wiki (i know... "wikipedia"... this is not very good source) is sentence:
"Together with a clash which allegedly took place at Moravská Třebová, this was the only known Czechoslovak active resistance to the German Army during the occupation of Bohemia and Moravia in March 1939."

"clash at Moravská Třebová"?? What story with this clash??
It is probably mixed with fight at Moravská Chrástová in October 1938.

Freikorps group of about 500 men crossed demarcation line on night of October 31 and sized majority Czech (about 800 Czech, 500 German) village of Moravská Chrástová, capturing about 50 soldiers, gendarmes and custom officials and number of civilians.
Company sized counterattack by elements of 13th Infantry Regiment (ordered by regimental commander without consultation with higher ups) pushed Freikorps back over demarcation line during early morning.
Czech casualties were 3 KIA and 7 WIA. Freikorps casualties were at least 1 killed and 47 captured (but it is possible that casualties, especialy in wounded, were higher).

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Re: Czech / German fights 1938/1939

Post by Sid Guttridge » 20 Apr 2021 22:15

It is as well to remember that other countries also folded with little fighting. Denmark, Luxemburg and Vichy France lost fewer men opposing the Germans than the Czechs did. The Baltic states were in a similar state against the USSR. Sometimes isolated states are put in a situation where resistance is hopeless. The reason why NATO exists today is to prevent smaller states being put in a similar situation and picked off one by one by larger powers. NATO is the child of Munich.

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Re: Czech / German fights 1938/1939

Post by Rian » 23 Apr 2021 00:40

Yes... I know... It was Soviet attack against Latvian Border Guards at 15 June 1940 (3 Latvian soldiers killed), it was fight in Tallin at 21 June 1940 (2 Estonian soldiers killed, few wounded and few soviet soldiers killed). But the call to fight against the Soviets made no sense - it would only lead to the destruction of the country. So - they captured. Like Danmark, like Luxembourg. And like Czecho - Slovakia in 1939. This symbolic resistance was intended only to show disagreement with the occupation of the country.

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