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Post by Bill Murray » 27 Jan 2007 20:13

Does the plot thicken???
Could it be, with the full cab, that this vehicle is primarily to be used as a trailer but also capable of self powering itself??
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Post by Bill Murray » 28 Jan 2007 00:19

Here is a rather poor photo, ex ebay maybe, that shows a 1937 Ford that is not of German origin I think and a 1939 tanker that may be German. Comments appreciated.
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Post by Panzermacher » 28 Jan 2007 03:41

Bill, Why do you think it's not a German built Ford?
The image is a little dark but it does look like it has the big crome Grill (although painted field grey) that were common to the German type.





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Post by Bill Murray » 28 Jan 2007 15:34

Panzermacher:
I could be wrong, of course, but the one on the left has the typical Belgian/Dutch squared off cab as opposed to the typical German rounded cab seen on the one to the right.
From my references, Ford of Germany used pretty much the "US" style cabs right through 1940/1941.
The chassis imported into the Lowlands and Scandinavia seem to have all been chassis without cowl/cab which meant the coachbuilders had to finish the truck. The design of choice in both areas seems to have been a very simple and large square cab, cheap to manufacture.
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Post by Panzermacher » 29 Jan 2007 13:21

I see, I thought the truck on the right may have been an Opel, it appears your first conclusion was right, not regarding the cab, but the windscreen, all German built fords used a Single pane as opposed to the the US (& other builders) who used a split widscreen, I'd forgotten this fact earlier.

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Post by Bill Murray » 29 Jan 2007 13:40

Panzermacher:
You have caught me out. The truck on the right with the split screen is most likely not German either. As you point out, German Fords only had flat screens on the regular American style cab.
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Post by Sander D » 29 Jan 2007 17:15

Hi Bill ,Panzermacher

I'm lost here,

So german ford trucks have flat screens,and the the chassis imported into the Lowlands and Scandinavia have a split screen .

So the picture below is a (german????) ford 1939 .

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Post by SIS 5 » 29 Jan 2007 17:55

Hi Bill, Panzermacher, Sander,

could it be, that the two Ford trucks are from the Netherlands and later confiscated by the Germans? The badge on the left side of the radiator grilles (from our view on the right side) indicates that they were assembled by Ford´s Amsterdam plant. But I´m not sure if it´s a badge or only a too dark pic. On the other hand the left Ford truck (from our view) could be a French built Matford V8 - truck, too. It would be nice to hear Your opinions.

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Post by Bill Murray » 29 Jan 2007 18:06

Hi Sander:
Sorry for the confusion. A far as my research shows, the following seems to apply.
1. All German Fords that came from the Ford factory had a flat windscreen if they were fitted with a cab at the factory.
2. Ford Germany also supplied chassis/cowl, without cab, to body builders and you could see once in a while a split screen but the bodies were obviously specialist civilian types.
3. There were a series of Ford Germany trucks supplied to the German forces in the 1930's that had an open cab and a split large flat windscreen.
4. Depending on the country and the requirements, Ford US and/or Ford Canada supplied chassis with cab and chassis with cowl only. The ones supplied with the cab all seem to have the US style split windscreen and the cab in general seems to be the same one found on German Fords in other respects.
5. As stated earlier, the Scandinavian and Low Countries seemed to favour what I call an "economy" cab when they built their own cabs. Very rectangular in shape and with probably seating for 4 persons.

I am at my shop now, but will try to post some example photos when I get back to my house.
Almost forgot, your photo is a German Ford.
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Post by protze » 31 Jan 2007 13:31

Who knows the Germancode of this bowsertrailer (Sd.Ah. ?). Was mostly pulled by the Opel Blitz bowser Kfz. 385
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Post by SIS 5 » 31 Jan 2007 16:53

Hello Protze,

the name of the trailer is Ah. (Anhänger = trailer) 454: Flugbetriebsstoffkesselwagen

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Post by protze » 31 Jan 2007 19:13

Hi SIS 5

The Sd.Ah. 454 was mostly pulled by the MB LG3000 bowser and was larger than the
bowser-trailer pulled by the Opel Blitz. On the pics below you can see the differences between the two trailers.
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Post by SIS 5 » 01 Feb 2007 16:31

Hi Protze,

You´re totally right. Sorry.

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DAF and DAF-Eylert Luftwaffe tank trailers

Post by nuyt » 01 Feb 2007 23:59

See here for some DAF products for the German forces:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/m ... 2C+1940-44

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Post by protze » 02 Feb 2007 08:34

Thank you Nuyt for your nice pictures and clear description. Could it be:
Kfz.384 pulls the Sd.Ah. 454 and the Kfz. 385 the Sd.Ah. 455? The last one built by DAF at Eindhoven (Eylert tanktrailer). Was Eylert a Dutch constructor or was the trailer built under licence from a German trailer- or bodybuilder?

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