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Kenubal · Post by **Kenubal** » 22 Apr 2012 19:49

According to W. Trojca in his “Pak at War”, that vehicle was destroyed by friendly Ju-87 Stuka, near Chemery (France). It was of the 1 Kp/Pz.Jg.Abt.8.

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 22 Apr 2012 22:15

On this picture from ebay.de, we can see that a Pz III was also victim of the “friendly” Stuka bombing. Also note the two bomb craters on both sides of the road.

Emmanuel

peeved · Post by **peeved** » 22 Apr 2012 22:33

Was the Pz. I also wrecked on the same occasion?

Markus

photo-war · Post by **photo-war** » 23 Apr 2012 19:30

Kenubal wrote:According to W. Trojca in his “Pak at War”, that vehicle was destroyed by friendly Ju-87 Stuka, near Chemery (France). It was of the 1 Kp/Pz.Jg.Abt.8.

Kenubal thank you very much for information!

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 23 Apr 2012 22:38

peeved wrote:Was the Pz. I also wrecked on the same occasion?

Markus

I would think so. Thanks Markus, I missed the Pz I !

Emmanuel

peeved · Post by **peeved** » 23 Apr 2012 22:43

Thanks Emmanuel,

The Stuka pilot apparently had a good aim but lousy IFF skills.

Markus

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 24 Apr 2012 23:17

There are 2 bomb craters visible. So, there could have been either one Stuka with two underwing bombs or two Stuka with one centerline bomb each.

On the other hand, the tree trunk next to the crater does not seem much damaged. So, the bomb would have probably penetrated the ground before exploding.

Emmanuel

Grzesio · Post by **Grzesio** » 25 Apr 2012 10:36

The craters seem to fit 50 kg bombs - 5 m diameter and 1.5 m deep in average soil.

Kenubal · Post by **Kenubal** » 25 Apr 2012 23:44

Manuferey wrote:On this picture from ebay.de, we can see that a Pz III was also victim of the “friendly” Stuka bombing. Also note the two bomb craters on both sides of the road.

Emmanuel

In this pic from “Nuts &Bolts nº 16” pág 16, there is another destroyed vehicle to the other side of the Zgkw; at the beginning of the slope.

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 26 Apr 2012 22:46

Could it be a French truck? The cabin looks too old for a German Army truck. The numbers on the license plate seem to be of the French style.

Emmanuel

Clive Mortimore · Post by **Clive Mortimore** » 27 Apr 2012 08:28

Manuferey wrote:Could it be a French truck? The cabin looks too old for a German Army truck. The numbers on the license plate seem to be of the French style.

Emmanuel

Hi Emmanuel

I think you could be correct. The camouflage pattern looks French. The Germans were painting their vehicles plain "panzer" grey in 1940.

Clive

carius · Post by **carius** » 27 Apr 2012 10:13

From ebay.de

George

Piotr Mikołajski · Post by **Piotr Mikołajski** » 27 Apr 2012 10:35

Clive Mortimore wrote:The Germans were painting their vehicles plain "panzer" grey in 1940.

In the second half of 1940, after the end of the French campaign.

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 27 Apr 2012 23:35

carius wrote:From ebay.de
George

George,

Your picture shows a “8,8cm Flak 37 Selbstfahrlafette auf 18 ton Zugkraftwagen“ which was used primarily as a mobile Flak gun. See here for more pictures:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1228289
According to ebay, the soldier who took the picture was from Heeres-Flak-Art. Abt. (Sf) 304.

By comparison, the gun on the version destroyed at Chemery was not able to be raised up and was intended to shot at ground targets only such as bunkers, hence his nickname of “Bunkerflak“ aka Bufla.

Emmanuel

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 27 Apr 2012 23:37

Clive Mortimore wrote:
Manuferey wrote:Could it be a French truck? The cabin looks too old for a German Army truck. The numbers on the license plate seem to be of the French style.

Emmanuel
Hi Emmanuel

I think you could be correct. The camouflage pattern looks French. The Germans were painting their vehicles plain "panzer" grey in 1940.

Clive

The presence of a French truck here could provide a possible explanation for the mistake of the Stuka pilot(s).

Emmanuel

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